Follow up from page 20, where Kenneth and I were discussing a possible POCH Han Hoth:

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t4427p285-the-poch-pbp-discussion-thread

Recently I received another Han from Spain.

In the pictures below he is put on the right side. In the middle you see the Han which was discussed before.











To me the middle and right Han look the same.

"Fat" eye brows: CHECK
Pale hands: CHECK
Pale neck: CHECK
Small belt buckle: CHECK
COO#1: CHECK

So I am 80% sure this is a POCH variant now. Only need MOC proof to confirm now.

BTW: The figure on the far left was obtained from a Spanish childhood collection. He has flesh/pink coloured hands and neck. Looks like a normal Kenner figure which was maybe imported and put on a Spanish card. But maybe you have another opinion?

Below a comparison is made between the Made in Macao (COO#3) and PBP Biker Scout (COO#6). According to Wolff, the no COO scar of the PBP Biker Scout was derived from COO#3 by removing “Macao” (scar in a scar). The Macao Biker Scout on its turn was derived from COO#2 by removing “Hong Kong” and replacing it by ”Macao”.

So it would makes sense that both figures share the same mould characteristics, despite their COO differences as they belong to the same COO family. I was curious and made some comparison pics to check this.
To me it indeed seems that both figures share the same mould characteristics. What do you think?

Biker Scout: Macao (left), PBP (right).


Biker Scout: Macao (left), PBP (right).


Biker Scout: Macao (left), PBP (right).


Biker Scout: Macao (left), PBP (right).




Despite their similarities, both figures still appear quite different. Compared to his Macao brother, the PBP Biker Scout has
- A more detailed (“hard”) torso and head
- Different spay mask used for the “eyes”, pouches on the hip.
- More? (except for the different COOs )

Below a comparison is made between two Iggy’s. The one on the right was bought as a POCH figure from Spain, the other is my Kenner childhood figure sharing the same COO.
I was curious whether there were any (paint) differences between the two figures, not counting any factory imperfections.

I see only one difference, but it is a very cool one, making IG-88 even more bad ass than he already is.
Q: Can you see it too?

IG-88: Kenner (left), Figure from Spain (right).


IG-88: Kenner (left), Figure from Spain (right).


IG-88: Kenner (left), Figure from Spain (right).


IG-88: Kenner (left), Figure from Spain (right).




A: The paint used for the "sensors" of the Spanish Iggy is not dull orange but a very vibrant red.

And you know what, it is the exact same paint which is used for the confirmed POCH Bespin Guard!!

Noticing that, that totally made my day.






My conclusion therefore: We are looking at a POCH IG-88 here!!
This bad ass Iggy immediately enters my personal top-5 of POCH variants.

Love the detective work Marco : ) Bravo!
Also, cool to read about Wolff's knowledge on the MACAO and PBP Biker Scout coo/scars. Very interesting to learn where and how they derived... Thanks to both of you for your hard work!
-Steve

Hi Dr Dengar,

again you are doing a great job.

here is my little contribution. I am not an expert so you can take your own conclusions.

Here you are my leia hoth.
Always, on the left leia from local -Spain- childhood collection, center (kenner), on the right local -Spain- childhood collection.














What I see:
-Face: kenner face is paler that local figures. they are darker.
-Hair: kenner hair is darker -black- than local figuers -more brownish-. It is hard to see in the pictures but it happens.
-arms and legs in the kenner one is whiter than local figures
-Boots: all 3 have the same color.
-bottom: more "clean" paint layer in the kenner one
-bottom2: no extra mark in the kenner one where the 2 pieces join. Local figures have plastic burr there.
-Hip color: Kenner uses the same body color but local figures use more pale color.

Hey Ricardo,

Thank you very much for chiming in. This discussion is much more fun when others join and share as well.

Your Spanish Leia figure look exactly like the Leia Hoth which I discussed before.

Spanish Leia (left and right). Source: ackbar100


Spanish Leia (right).



I checked your observations, and compared them with my Spanish Leia:


-Face: kenner face is paler that local figures. they are darker. CHECK


-Hair: kenner hair is darker -black- than local figuers -more brownish-. It is hard to see in the pictures but it happens.

COMMENT: When comparing to a Kenner figure having the exact same COO#2, this difference in hair colour is less obvious.


-arms and legs in the kenner one is whiter than local figures. CHECK

COMMENT: The plastic of the arms and legs is slightly off white. Probably this is due to discolouration of the used (batch of) plastic which was used to produce these figures.


-Boots: all 3 have the same color.

COMMENT: If you look closely, it seems that both your Spanish Leia figures have greenish brown boots which are different compared to the brown boots of the Kenner figure. Do you agree?


-bottom: more "clean" paint layer in the kenner one. CHECK


-bottom2: no extra mark in the kenner one where the 2 pieces join. Local figures have plastic burr there. CHECK

COMMENT: These plasctic extrusions at the bottom welding line, are typical POCH imperfections which I consider an extra bonus on top of the paint differences. You see them a lot in POCH figures.
BTW: Now I had to explain my girlfriend why I had a picture on my screen showing the butts of three plastic female figures.


-Hip color: Kenner uses the same body color but local figures use more pale color. CHECK




Based upon your info, and Kenneth's picture, I am now 90% sure this Leia Hoth is a POCH variant.

I hope we will see pics of a MOC one day to obtain the final proof.

Cheers

The_Dark_Artist wrote:

Love the detective work Marco : ) Bravo!
Also, cool to read about Wolff's knowledge on the MACAO and PBP Biker Scout coo/scars. Very interesting to learn where and how they derived... Thanks to both of you for your hard work!
-Steve

Thank you Steve!

Much appreciated!

Hi Marco,

Here you are my comparation between an IG-88 from kenner -normally on the left- and my IG-88 given to me by a good friend with other sw figures :-)

I hope it helps. Everybody is free to take their own conclusion. This just a comparision.













What I see:
-Different plastic type
-Many "bubbles" on plastic -head and leg- in the local -Spain- figure
-Different type of eyes. Kenner figure have small holes but not the local one.
-Bad paint layer application on head -orange color-
-The black "belt" has not been painted in one area in the local figure
-Plastic extrusion at the bottom welding line in the local one. Kenner hasn't it.

I would also be very inerested in opinions on the IG-88 above.
I have a very similar one with bubbly texture to the head & limbs (COO #6 & purchaed in the UK) that I posted pictures of here: http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t4078-figure-of-the-week-threadig-88
If more pics of my example are required I'm happy to take some.

Thanks for sharing those pics, Ricardo.

Steve, I had totally missed that COO#6 Iggy in the FOTW thread. Good that you didn't.

Can you make some close ups pls (head, bottom).

Both figures seem to be very similar,and maybe they are just the same.

Here are some quick snaps (I hope they help with the discussion).
My Iggy appears to differ from Ricardo's in terms of having no burr on the bottom. I'm not sure the precission of the paint application on the head is too important as I have seen Kenner figures with good & bad paint apps.
I was under the impression that the texture to the soft plastic forming the head & limbs was an indication of it being a late produced figure cast from a worn mold?
What do you guys think?
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yes, Steve. Yours and mine are very similar and I agree with your comments about the differences.

I am really sorry but I am not able to give you an explanation about the bubbly parts. Regarding how those figures can be found in 2 different countries, I suppose they were produced in one country and exported to other countries where they were packed.

I double confirm that my figure was given to me by a friend with other interesting sw figures like a leia bespin poch with original cape :-) and more.

Steve, thanks for your sharing your pictures. We always discover things.

Thanks Ricardo.

Unfortunately I know very little about Spanish produced figures, other than the fact some were Spain only releases & some are known to have been exported to other parts of Europe. Your Iggy is the only other one I've seen with COO #6 & the textured head & limbs. The fact they share these characteristics suggests they have a common origin, but I can't speculate whether that is Spain or Asia. Hopefully others will be able to shed some light on this interesting figure.

Hi folks,

this time I want to share with all of you an easy to find figure but a great character.

Again, everybody is free to take their own conclusions.

Imperial Commander
kenner (left), pbp no coo #1 (middle), pbp no coo #2 different head and body (right)








What I see:
- kenner and pbp no coo #1 have same "brilliant" body. pbp no coo #2 has not "brilliant" body
- kenner and pbp no coo #1 have very similiar head but not exactly the same. pbp no coo #2 has different head
- all 3 have different hair color.

ackbar100 wrote:

Hi folks,

this time I want to share with all of you an easy to find figure but a great character.

Again, everybody is free to take their own conclusions.

Imperial Commander
kenner (left), pbp no coo #1 (middle), pbp no coo #2 different head and body (right)




What I see:
- kenner and pbp no coo #1 have same "brilliant" body. pbp no coo #2 has not "brilliant" body
- kenner and pbp no coo #1 have very similiar head but not exactly the same. pbp no coo #2 has different head
- all 3 have different hair color.

Hi Ricardo

Great that you've decided to contribute to this thread, I think that your Imperial commander on the right is actually the one known as the Tri-logo variant, not sure on the hair colour but looks the same, not sure why Tri-Logo either as its found on Palitoy ROTJ cards, maybe there ESB cards also. IMO that figure is made in HK and not by PBP. I also think that the same COO but with the HK present is also found on Palitoy cards but not 100% sure.

Scott

I thought PBP and LEDY imperial commanders had curly thumbs?

No problem Scott.
When comments are made in positive way, they are always welcome.

I would like to highlight that I am not going to discuss any post. My goal is to share some pictures and write about what I see in my figures. That's all. Everybody will be free to take their own decission.

ackbar100 wrote:

No problem Scott.
When comments are made in positive way, they are always welcome.

I would like to highlight that I am not going to discuss any post. My goal is to share some pictures and write about what I see in my figures. That's all. Everybody will be free to take their own decission.

Hay Ricardo, no problem and I look forward to seeing what else you have.

I know you said you'r not going to discus any but i thinkk thats a real shame as a lot can be learned about these PBP made figures, just wondering what makes you think he's (right) made by PBP?

Some times it is necessary to do an exception

Scott, you are right. The third figure is a trilogo one. Totally agree.

I hope you can not find more lapses

here you are luke x wing pilot. All 3 pbp scar.

regular one (left), pink face (middle), pale face (right)

ackbar100 wrote:

Some times it is necessary to do an exception

Scott, you are right. The third figure is a trilogo one. Totally agree.

Thanks for your thoughts Ricardo, glad that you agree and that's one less PBP we need to worrie about

ackbar100 wrote:

I hope you can not find more lapses

here you are luke x wing pilot. All 3 pbp scar.

regular one (left), pink face (middle), pale face (right)

Fingers crossed that the rest that you have are PBP mate, those are Awesome looking Luke's you have there, I think they are all made by PBP but like the Han hoth some also appear on Palitoy cards. I have not seen one carded myself but I have seen a couple with the pink faces for sale loose in the UK.

Thanks for thr great info

A few close up photos of my POCH C-3PO, it matches yours Marco but with a few "extra" features....

*Torso crack below head
*Melt marks on leg
*Same COO
*Same deep gold colour
*Gaps between torso

I have to cath up, a lot of contributions were made in this thread the past week.

Ricardo: Thank you for posting the pictures of the Imperial Commander.

There was also a discussion about him on page 19: http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t4427p270-the-poch-pbp-discussion-thread

What I understand: Imperial Commanders having COO#4 might well be produced in Spain, but you can not link them exclusively to PBP, as they appear on European cards as well. Similar case as the pale face Dengar and AT AT commander, I guess.

Kenneth_B wrote:

This "PBP" IC with no coo scar light brown/reddish hair, pupils, eye brows etc was exported to other European countries, I think.. All though you can find it on regular basis in Spanish collections, I have too found quite a few samples in for instance GB, France - even a few in the US...

But it certainly should be Spansih PBP produced figure. But as mentioned I don't consider this as an "exclusive" PBP variant. It's not that hard to find, since you can find it regularely on ebay and other sites.

Dr Dengar wrote:

All figures below have:

• COO#4
  
• Curled thumb

From left to right:
1. Lili Ledy. Dark brown hair, long hair line, tanned skin.
2. Figure from Spain. Light brown hair, short hair line, normal pink face. Note the fingerprint from the factory worker, LOL.
3. Figure from Spain. Reddish hair, short hair line, reddish pink face.

Does this help?