My fav Ledy so far, seems every one loves the CCP

Dr Dengar wrote:

pomse2001 wrote:

I was just wondering if all Paploo is Ledy ? maybe I have asked about it before, I can't remember it

But maybe you do remember reading the last few posts in this thread?

Yes It is coming to be now Thanks for the help again mates

i know i am gonna get a death star sent over to my house to blow it up on this and i have read a bit on the Ledy toys but why such an epic interest over them?

why not meccano, palitoy or the others distributors? everything seems to be about ledy's. Personally i am gonna stick the classic north american usa-canada issues but paying a huge amounts of money for coo changes and paint scheme differences...

what makes them so special?

Theres not much of a choice to pick from them similar to the PBP stuff. And alot of it is it sorta hard to find complete.

I also love the cool colours of the CCP. And the Speeder bike graphics and inserts case is very cool


I'd like to get hold of some more Ledy sometime, right now I just have Paploo Lumat and this cool guy ...


But hey ... what is that strange dark figure in the shadowy background ... ???! ....




No! It can't be !!

No ...



HAN: "Look kid, I don't know how many times I have to tell you this... there is NO Ledy black Wampa !!

budspencer wrote:

i know i am gonna get a death star sent over to my house to blow it up on this and i have read a bit on the Ledy toys but why such an epic interest over them?

Death Star on its way now.

What makes Lili Ledy worth collecting for me:

1) There are all kind of subtle (and less subtle) variations in paint scheme, accessories, and moulds, giving the figures two extra coolness points compared to Kenner figures.

To give you an idea. Does the Ledy Han Solo look way cooler while wearing a rough textured trench coat and a carrying black (!) Bespin gun?
The answer is YES!



Is the Ledy Klaatu a much tougher looking character while wearing a skirt which is made from real Bantha fur instead of Kenner's imitation rabbit fur.
The answer is YES again!!



I think I should stop here, you got the point, but sure there many more examples (burgundy Squid, Bib, Cloud Car Pilot,...)

2) The figures were produced in Mexico giving them some Latin spirit. One half extra spirit point earned.

3) Lili Ledy produced no less than 53 figures (including the Max Reebo band), so as a collector you really have something to do. Another half point added.

4) Look at that logo, isn't it beautiful?!!. One cool logo point added.


So Lili Ledy has 2+0.5+0.5+1= 4 extra coolness points compared to the Kenner line. If you give the Kenner line a 6 on a scale from 0 to 10 (sorry can't give more ), this means Ledy is an absolute 10. It is a matter of pure mathematics, I can’t help it.

Paul, that picture is classic!!!

You must have paid a fortune for that black Wampa.

Funny story about that black wampa

COO guide for Luke Bespin


A. COO #7 and the almost identical COO #8 are shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner (brown Luke)
B. COO #4 is shared by Lili Ledy and PBP (blond Luke)

A. COO #7 and COO #8

The Ledy brown Luke came with two slightly different COOs. They differ in the relative position of the raised bar relative to the crease on the left leg:
-COO #7: Raised bar stops at the crease
-COO #8: Raised bar extending the crease.

Luke Bespin: Kenner COO #8 (left), Lili Ledy COO #7 (right).


Luke Bespin: Kenner COO #8 (left), Lili Ledy COO #7 (right).


Luke Bespin: Kenner COO #8 (left), Lili Ledy COO #7 (right).


Luke Bespin: Kenner COO #8 (left), Lili Ledy COO #7 (right).


Luke Bespin: Kenner COO #8 (left), Lili Ledy COO #7 (right).


Luke Bespin: Kenner COO #8 (left), Lili Ledy COO #7 (right).


Luke Bespin: Kenner COO #8 (left), Lili Ledy COO #7 (right).


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Comparison between Ledy Lukes: COO #8 (left, bar extends crease), COO #7 (right, bar stops at crease).


Comparison between Ledy Lukes: COO #8 (left, bar extends crease), COO #7 (right, bar stops at crease).


Comparison between Ledy Lukes: COO #8 (left, bar extends crease), COO #7 (right, bar stops at crease).



DIFFERENCES:

Compared to his Kenner ('Made in China' baggie) counterpart, the Ledy Luke Bespin has:
- Mustard brown hair instead of orange brown hair
- A face which is cast in a paler (less pinkish) plastic
- Black instead of darkbrown eyebrows
- Brown instead of greenish brown boots
- A thicker sprayed saber (this is most easy to spot)


PAINT VARIATIONS:

Small Variations:
The small paint differences between the Lili Ledy figures (the colour of the boots and the thickness of the eyes and eyebrows) which can be seen in the pictures below, are due to small batch to batch variations and/or Lili Ledy’s sloppy quality control.

Comparison between Lukes: From left to right: 1 (Kenner), 2 (Ledy), 3 (Ledy), 4 (Ledy)


Comparison between Lukes: Counterclockwise starting at the top: 1 (Kenner), 2 (Ledy), 3 (Ledy), 4 (Ledy)


Major variations:
The dark brown Ledy Luke Bespin in the pictures below is a kitbashed figure composed of a Ledy body and a factory painted Ledy overstock head. The dark brown Luke Bespin was never released on card by Lili Ledy.

Comparison between Brown Lukes: Figure with overstock head (left), Production figure (right)


Comparison between Brown Lukes: Figure with overstock head (left), Production figure (right)


Comparison between Brown Lukes: Figure with overstock head (left), Production figure (right)



B. COO #4


Luke Bespin COO #4: PBP (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Luke Bespin COO #4: PBP (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Luke Bespin COO #4: PBP (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Luke Bespin COO #4: PBP (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Luke Bespin COO #4: PBP (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Luke Bespin COO #4: PBP (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Luke Bespin COO #4: PBP (left), Lili Ledy (right).



DIFFERENCES:

Compared to his PBP counterpart, the blond Ledy Luke Bespin has:
- Pale blond instead of yellowish blond hair
- A face which is cast in a paler (less pinkish) plastic
- Darker brown boots
- A sprayed saber which is connected to the sprayed belt

Note: The blond Luke Bespin was released on Ledy's ESB 10-back but also on the early ROTJ 12-back. The brown hair Ledy Luke was released on later ROTJ cards.



ACCESSORIES


LIGHTSABER:

The Ledy Luke Bespin came with a yellow V1 saber. Also PBP released sabers with a V1 mould (denoted as V2 in TIG’s reference weapon guide: http://www.imperialgunnery.com/thelightsabersection.htm ).



GUN:
The brown Ledy Luke Bespin carries a blue V1 Bespin gun. The blond Ledy Luke also came with a smuggler gun on the first ESB 10-backs.  

Yet another great update Marco
There are a few examples of Luke Bespin with a Luke Jedi head on the internet. I am 99.99% certain these NEVER left the factory this way.

Great research again Marco

Love the update and info

Thanks AJ and StarWizz!

AJ: Yeah, I agree with you, 99.99% custom figure.




Weird Looking Ledy Figures

Sorry guys had some beaters over

Aj, Marco your right this figures never left the factory this way,
I also 99.99% agree that this are custom made figures.



Let we call these guys ' Made in 10 sec's ' then

That is some sound proof that these weird figures are customs indeed.

Good work StarWizz.

Now go on and make us a patchless Prune Face in 10 seconds.

Probably it will take a bit longer but in the end it can be done, as this Prune Face is a custom figure too.

Dr Dengar wrote:

Now go on and make us a patchless Prune Face in 10 seconds.

Probably it will take a bit longer but in the end it can be done, as this Prune Face is a custom figure too.

COO guide for Leia Combat Poncho


NOTE: COO #2 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner

COO #2

Leia Combat Poncho: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Leia Combat Poncho: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Leia Combat Poncho: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Leia Combat Poncho: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Leia Combat Poncho: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Leia Combat Poncho: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Leia Combat Poncho: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Leia Combat Poncho: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).



DIFFERENCES:

Compared to her Kenner  counterpart, the LL Leia Combat Poncho has:
- A darker pinkish face
- Darker brown eyes, and eyebrows
- Glossy instead of matt brown hair
- A more greenish grey shirt
- Different helmet, poncho, and gun (see below)



PAINT VARIATIONS:

Small Variations:
The small paint differences between the Lili Ledy figures (for instance the size of the pupils) which can be seen in the picture below are due to small batch to batch variations in the Leia line.

Comparison between Leia figures: Counterclockwise starting at the top: 1 (Kenner), 2 (Ledy), 3 (Ledy), 4 (Ledy)


The black paint on the boots can be glossy or matt. This is often the case for black paint applied by Lili Ledy, other examples are Madine’s boots and AT-ST driver’s belt.  

Small differences between Lili Ledy Leia’s: Poncho (darker and lighter green camouflage ‘spots’) and boots (matt and glossy).


Small differences between Lili Ledy Leia’s: Poncho (darker and lighter green camouflage ‘spots’) and boots (matt and glossy).


ACCESSORIES

HELMET:



BELT:




PONCHO:
The Ledy poncho has a different and darker green camouflage pattern compared to the Kenner poncho. Besides the Ledy poncho is lacking the holes for the belt.





Small variations in the color of the poncho can occur (see pictures further above)


GUN:

The Ledy Leia Poncho carries a grey or blue Leia gun.

COO guide for Lumat


NOTE: Lumat has COO #1 which means an absence of all possible markings: no country of origin, no copyright, no datestamp.


COO #1

Lumat


Lumat


Lumat


Lumat


Lumat


Lumat


Lumat



PAINT VARIATIONS:

Small Variations:
The small paint differences between the different Lumat figures which can be seen in the picture below are due to small batch to batch variations in the Lumat line.
- Mouth and nose: matt / glossy grey-blue paint
- Eyes: matt / glossy black paint

Comparison between Lumat figures. From left to right: Lumat A, B, C.


- Lumat A. Matt black eyes. Glossy grey-blue mouth and nose
- Lumat B. Matt black eyes. Matt grey-blue mouth and nose paint
- Lumat C. Glossy black eyes. Matt grey-blue mouth and nose



ACCESSORIES


BOW:




HOOD:




QUIVER:

Small paint differences between different quivers are possible, probably reflecting small batch to batch variations.

Comparison between Lumat quivers. From left to right: Quiver A, B, C, D.


- Quiver A. Arrow points fully painted in glossy creamy-white
- Quiver B: Arrow points partly painted in glossy creamy-white
- Quiver C: Arrow points fully painted in matt white
- Quiver D: Arrow points partly painted in glossy creamy-white.


NOTES

• ALL Lumats were produced by Lili Ledy in Mexico, so also including the ones which appeared on non Ledy cards. (Made in Mexico, POTF, and Trilogo).
  
• In the comparison pictures shown above, a Kenner counterpart is therefore lacking.
  
• Small differences can be observed for the Lumat figures and accessories:
  - Mouth and nose: matt / glossy grey-blue paint
  - Eyes: matt / glossy black paint
  - Quiver: arrow points fully/partially painted in bright/creamy white
  
• These small paint differences between the Lili Ledy figures are due to small batch to batch variations in the Lumat line.
  
• It is an urban myth you can use these small differences to make a distinction between a ‘true’ Lili Ledy coming from a Ledy card and a Lumat which was released on any other card. Proof you can read by clicking the link below:  
  The Lumat Case: Is there a difference between Lili Ledy and Made in Mexico Figures?
  

(Post 666 in this thread, not a bad omen, I hope )

Ackbar's entry has been updated with new pics and a better description of the differences to look for.

Admiral Ackbar

Keep up the great work Marco!

I'm looking forward to going through my Ledys and using this thread (and the main guide) to confirm a few question marks in my Ledy run to date...just hope there aren't too many I need to replace

COO guide for Stormtrooper


NOTE: COO #9A/9B is shared by the Lili Ledy and PBP Stromtrooper.

COO #9A and COO #9B

The Ledy Stormtrooper came with two slightly different COOs. They differ only in the spacing between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’:
-COO #9A: Almost no space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’
-COO #9B: Bigger space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’

These small COO differences do not indicate any differences in paint schemes.

REMARK: In the pics below a comparison is made between a Lili Ledy and PBP Stormtrooper. A Trilogo Stormtrooper is also included for reference. All three versions have a hard torso, which is cast in much more detailed plastic.

Hard Torso Stormtroopers: Trilogo (left, COO #11), PBP (middle, COO #9B), Lili Ledy (right, COO #9A)


Hard Torso Stormtroopers: Trilogo (left, COO #11), PBP (middle, COO #9B), Lili Ledy (right, COO #9A)


Hard Torso Stormtroopers: Trilogo (left, COO #11), PBP (middle, COO #9B), Lili Ledy (right, COO #9A)


Hard Torso Stormtroopers: Trilogo (left, COO #11), PBP (middle, COO #9B), Lili Ledy (right, COO #9A)


Hard Torso Stormtroopers: Trilogo (left, COO #11), PBP (middle, COO #9B), Lili Ledy (right, COO #9A)


Hard Torso Stormtroopers: Trilogo (left, COO #11), PBP (middle, COO #9B), Lili Ledy (right, COO #9A)


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Comparison between Ledy Stormtroopers: COO #9A (left figure, almost no space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’) and COO #9B (right figure, bigger space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’).


Comparison between Ledy Stormtroopers: COO #9A (left figure, almost no space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’) and COO #9B (right figure, bigger space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’).


Comparison between Ledy Stormtroopers: COO #9A (left figure, almost no space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’) and COO #9B (right figure, bigger space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’).


Comparison between Ledy Stormtroopers: COO #9A (left figure, almost no space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’) and COO #9B (right figure, bigger space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’).



DIFFERENCES:

Compared to his PBP counterpart, the Ledy Stormtrooper has:
- A thicker black helmet band
- A wider black mouth piece
- Bright instead of creamy white head, torso and limbs
- Limbs made from soft instead of hard (more detailed) plastic
- Sometimes a filled peghole in the right foot (see the pics further below)

Remark: The PBP Stormtrooper in the picture totally lacks the black paint on the helmet 'ear' pieces. Probably a factory error.

Compared to his Trilogo counterpart, the Ledy Stormtrooper has:
- Another COO: COO #9A/#9B instead of COO #10/#11
- A thicker black helmet band
- A wider black mouth piece


Comparison between Stormtroopers. From left to right: 1 (PBP), 2 (Ledy, COO #9A), 3 (Ledy, COO #9A), 4 (Ledy, COO #9A), 5 (Ledy, COO #9B).
Note that all Ledy Stormtroopers have a filled peghole in the right foot.



Comparison between Stormtroopers. From left to right: 1 (PBP), 2 (Ledy, COO #9A), 3 (Ledy, COO #9A), 4 (Ledy, COO #9A), 5 (Ledy, COO #9B).
Note that all Ledy Stormtroopers have a filled peghole in the right foot.



ACCESSORIES

The Ledy Stormtrooper wears a solid black imperial blaster having a different mould (V6 or V7) compared to the Kenner blasters.






Lili Ledy solid blue and solid black imperial blasters. Top row: V7 mould. Bottom row: V6 mould. (Pic provided by Ozio).

WOW MArco!!
Amazing thread as usally!
i am agree 100% with the info about the PBP Stormie compared with the Ledy one.
Keep the good work my friend!!
thanks for sharing!!

On Page 10 BILLIAM666 wrote:

When I first saw a filled in peghole Ledy Stormtrooper I thought it was just a one time error figure but there seems to be a few them out there. Also is it always the right leg peg hole filled?

All Ledy Stormtroopers in the pic below have a filled peghole in their right feet. So it seems to be something consistent along the Stromtrooper line and probably Ledy's Quality Control is not to blame here. Moreover because the filled peghole occurs for both COO #9A as well as the slightly different COO #9B, this strongly suggests that Ledy used at least two different steel moulds having the same defect.


Maybe Lili Ledy got steel moulds from the far East which were no longer approved for the production of Kenner figures?

Maybe Lili Ledy didn't care so much, as there were no playsets (Cantina, Land of the Jawas, Display arena, etc.) produced for the Mexican market which should be able to hold figures. If you don't sell anything with pegs, why border about pegholes.
In fact the only Ledy item that might have come with some pegs is the Millenium Falcon, maybe the Imperial Shuttle as well.

Comparison between Stormtroopers. From left to right: 1 (PBP), 2 (Ledy, COO #9A), 3 (Ledy, COO #9A), 4 (Ledy, COO #9A), 5 (Ledy, COO #9B).
Note that all Ledy Stormtroopers have a filled peghole in the right foot.



I also saw a few Ledy Ben figures with the same defect......

BTW: Are there any Ledy Stormtroopers out there without a filled peghole? If Yes, please share.

Thanks AJ!

So it seems that there are also Ledy Stormtroopers with normals pegholes. It must be a coincidence that all four Stormis in my collection have filled pegholes.

So maybe it was not a mould defect but a quality issue after all. :scratch:

BTW: I have just changed the description in the Stormtrooper's entry.

Compared to his PBP counterpart, the Ledy Stormtrooper has:
- A thicker black helmet band
- A wider black mouth piece
- Bright instead of creamy white head, torso and limbs
- Limbs made from soft instead of hard (more detailed) plastic
- Sometimes a filled peghole in the right foot

Dr Dengar wrote:

Thanks AJ!

So it seems that there are also Ledy Stormtroopers with normals pegholes. It must be a coincidence that all four Stormis in my collection have filled pegholes.

So maybe it was not a mould defect but a quality issue after all. :scratch:

BTW: I have just changed the description in the Stormtrooper's entry.

Compared to his PBP counterpart, the Ledy Stormtrooper has:
- A thicker black helmet band
- A wider black mouth piece
- Bright instead of creamy white head, torso and limbs
- Limbs made from soft instead of hard (more detailed) plastic
- Sometimes a filled peghole in the right foot

Marco, just to let you know my LL MOC Stormie has a filled peghole, is on a 30 back.
I will ask my friends if their LL MOC Stormies are the same , and what number is the card back!