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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:35 am
COO details....
LL1 -
LL2 - Kenner
LL3 - Lili Ledy
walkie Senior Developer
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Thu May 16, 2013 4:42 am
A few more images for the Ledy guide...
Klaatu Skiff Paint Combo's, I know the guide mentions Light & Dark paint ops exist, however here's a mixed limbs figure.
Dark Brown Torso / Dark Brown Legs Light Brown Torso / Dark Brown Legs Light Brown Torso / Light Brown Legs
Paploo Staff "A", again the guide only mentions "S" and "T"
walkie Senior Developer
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Thu May 16, 2013 4:47 am
Leia Boushh Helmet paint ops.
(L/R) Metallic Paint Letter "H" / Dull Paint Letter "G"
Dr Dengar TIG Benefactor
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Thu May 16, 2013 6:10 am
Thanks Stefan for the updates!
I will have to make a list of changes to incorporate in the Ledy entries once.
The silver paint on the Boushh helemt is a genuine variant. I am 99% sure it is not exclusive for a certain mold letter though.
walkie Senior Developer
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Thu May 16, 2013 6:27 am
Dr Dengar wrote:
Thanks Stefan for the updates!
I will have to make a list of changes to incorporate in the Ledy entries once.
The silver paint on the Boushh helemt is a genuine variant. I am 99% sure it is not exclusive for a certain mold letter though.
I'm glad about the silver boushh helmet, I was 50/50 weather it was genuine, the letter was just mentioned for completeness.
Don't forget entries for the Squidhead and Max Rebo !!
I have some more photos to post soon
walkie Senior Developer
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Tue May 21, 2013 1:22 pm
C-3PO silver or faded?
Comparison photos next to my golden Ledy C-3PO.
Dr Dengar TIG Benefactor
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Wed May 22, 2013 3:57 pm
Hey Stefan,
That C-3PO looks a bit worn to me. Not silver.
walkie Senior Developer
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Wed May 22, 2013 4:05 pm
Thanks marco, I just wanted to check. Luckily he came as part of collection so I didn't pay alot for him, I didn't even notice he was faded and a little silver till I opened the envelope.
OZIO Imperial Admiral
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Subject: Lili Ledy Removable Rocket Boba Fet Tue May 28, 2013 7:05 pm
Lili Ledy Removable Rocket Boba Fett
Made in Mexico by Lili Ledy back on the 80's this variant or this factory mistake it's one of the most popular figures from the Star Wars toy line made by Lili Ledy. The first information available on this figure was a technical card inside the 'Universo Starwars' Mexican magazine back on 2003:
Since then this figure became one of the more sought after LL items on the hobby, for that same reason it became one of the most faked ones too. Some LL Boba Fetts where assembled and sonic welded without the rocket inside, (that's why it could be called a factory mistake), after that the rocket was added and locked in with a turn, in order to take the rocket out and depending on the position of the tab inside Boba you have to turn in right or left, then pull it up, if you want to insert the rocket back you have to push it down and turn it (depending on the position of the tab), right or left, you will hear a clicking sound that indicates that the rocket is locked. LL RR Clicking sound:
The big difference between a regular LL Boba Fett and a Removable Rocket Boba Fett is; the rocket. On a Regular LL Boba Fett, the tab on the rocket is inserted on a hole and another tab holds firmly the rocket inside the figure, after the welding process everything melts a bit so there's no way to take it out without damaging the figure and the rocket, that's why an original LL RR Boba Fett has a complete, clean, undamaged rocket with complete, undamaged tab, even if the rocket was inserted and taken out several times.
Rocket must be complete and have no melt marks at all, especially on the opposite side of the tab:
Lili Ledy Rocket:
On a regular LL Boba Fett, mold line on rocket is horizontally aligned to the shoulders but on a LL RR Boba Fett, mold line on the rocket it's not horizontally aligned to the shoulders:
As the rocket on a LL RR Boba Fett was inserted after the welding process, Rocket should not have any signs of melting or blue marks on it. The blue mark comes from the contact between the rocket and this inner tab on the front torso:
This is the position of the rocket with the tab inserted correctly:
As you can see the inner tab on the front torso holds the rocket on its place and that's why after the welding process that inner tab leaves a melt mark on the rocket, right on the opposite side of the rocket's tab. So a LL Rocket with a blue mark, or blue residues on the opposite side of the tab on the rocket comes from a regular LL Boba Fett.
Here's a picture of that mark on the rocket:
If you find this mark on the opposite side of the tab you have a Rocket that was removed from a 'regular' LL Boba Fett.
The rocket hole on the back of Boba Fett must look clean with no melting marks inside:
Factory Mistake Lili Ledy Removable Rocket Boba Fett On some examples, rocket was wrongly inserted on Boba's torso BEFORE welding process, the tab on the rocket was not inserted on the hole on the back of the torso, this LL Fetts share the same characteristic that the RR Fett, the mold line on the rocket it's not horizontally aligned to the shoulders but it won't come out easily, why? Because it's melted inside on some parts, remember the tab on the rocket is not on its place so if you turn it it will eventually turn, you just have to be very careful or you will brake it, don't use tweezers.
A LL rocket that was wrongly inserted on a LL Boba Fett before welding process has a melt mark or blue mark to the side of the tab:
A Factory Mistake LL RR Boba Fett has a blue mark on one side of the tab on the rocket, any side, left, right, but never on the opposite side of the tab and you will find red residues on the rocket's hole:
AFA WOULD NOT GRADE any LL 'Factory Mistake' RR Boba Fett.
So... if you're buying a RR Boba Fett, remember, use your common sense, of course marks are possible on rocket and inside rocket hole but there's a big differences between a played figure and a figure with tool marks, some sellers refer to melt marks, blue residues, etc as playing marks, not true, I don't know not even one guy in Mexico that knew about this variant before 2003 when the technical card came out, even with the figures inside their collections. Of course probably some Mexican kid did found out about the rocket but there was no Internet in the 80's to brag about it
An overview of the regular Lili Ledy Boba Fett (with fixed rocket) can be found here:
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Thu May 30, 2013 8:00 am
We are not worthy, step a side for the LEDY KING
walkie Senior Developer
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Thu May 30, 2013 8:10 am
Ben Kenobi Ledy Variant?
Ben 1 - Lili Ledy / Reputable Seller/Forum member Ben 2 - Lili Ledy / eBAY Ben 3 - Kenner / UK Collection
l/r - Ben 1 / Ben 2 / Ben 3
l/r - Ben 1 / Ben 2 / Ben 3
l/r - Ben 1 / Ben 2 / Ben 3
Comparsions to the Ledy Guide
Ben 1 Body - Correct COO / Short Leg / Thick Boots / Extended Figure Ben 2 Body - Correct COO / Short Leg / Thick Boots / Extended Figure (but broken) Ben 3 Body - Reference Only
Ben 1 Face - Different eyebrow and eye paint ops Ben 2 Face - Matches Guide Ben 3 Face - Reference Only
l/r - Ben 1 / Ben 2 / Ben 3
Ben 1 Saber - Dark Blue / Letter J / Thick Tip (snapped off) Ben 2 Saber - Dark Blue / Letter F / Thick Tip Ben 3 Saber - Reference Only
l/r - Ben 1 / Ben 2 / Ben 3
l/r - Ben 1 / Ben 2 / Ben 3
Ben 1 Cape - Shorter Than Kenner / No "Zipping" Sound Ben 2 Cape - Shorter Than Kenner / No "Zipping" Sound Ben 3 Cape - Reference Only
*However note that the 2 Ledy capes are different lengths.
So does this mean that there are two different cape lengths and face paint ops for Ledy?
Comments please?
Dr Dengar TIG Benefactor
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:59 pm
Interesting stuff, Stefan.
Looks like a different paint mask was used for the left figure.
walkie Senior Developer
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:26 pm
It looks that way, hopefully someone else has one?
psybertech TIG Benefactor
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:54 pm
So here is my Ben I picked up off OZIO. It is a factory error Ben where he has a small head most likely due to shrinkage. I do not have another Ledy Ben to compare it to so I just compared him to another grey haired on in the pictures. Ben should be on the right in all these pictures except one.
From what I can see, it looks like I have a similar paint mask like walkie is asking about even though I have a smaller head. To me, the eyebrows and beard do not seem as bushy as wlakie's middle figure. Another detail I think I see in mine and walkie's is the pupils seem very large compared to the others.
Sorry for the pictures not being super great .. bad lighting day when I took them.
Just wanted to share and see what people think.
cheers!
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walkie Senior Developer
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:00 pm
Thanks for the photos, it looks like we have a match on the paint ops for the eyebrows, the eyes are a little off.
Thanks
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:06 pm
walkie wrote:
Thanks for the photos, it looks like we have a match on the paint ops for the eyebrows, the eyes are a little off....
Yeah, I perhaps the mask maybe wasn't a tight fit over his tiny head? When I have a good sunny day I will optically zoom in closer on his face from the front and sides to see if it clears up the details better.
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:31 pm
Guys, I don't speak Spanish but saw a thread on this at rs. I was told the guy has written a book about ledy stuff.
Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:16 am
Hello fellow collectors, new to the forum and I ave been directed by one of your own to this thread to post some pictures on possible ledy identification so with out further delay here they are.
These are pics of backs only lmk if more pics of different areas I needed. Thanks
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:18 pm
Nien Nunb is Ledy, Squid head is not. The rest you will need to go through the comparison pics here : http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t2135-the-lili-ledy-guide-discussion-thread-part-1
Scarface1346 Imperial Recruit
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:05 pm
I did that today actually and I think I can say that all except squid head and emperor are ledy. I already have 2 ledy yoda s, c3po and storm shadow so I'm happy to add these.
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:08 pm
O I have a ledy g guard and wicket also.
Dr Dengar TIG Benefactor
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Subject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2 Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:19 pm
to TIG Scarface.
We are always willing to help collectors, please post some pics of figures when you have doubts about them being Ledy.
I got this Ledy R2 a few weeks ago. I know he is a bit dirty, but that adds to the charm of this figure. I bought him because he has the same very dark blue panels as his rare 1978 brother (see thumbnails).
Probably this is a transition figure with a 1978 dome, sticker and screw, and the more common 1977 HK COO body.
Dr Dengar wrote:
cantina_patron wrote:
Is your 'transition' Ledy R2 a new discovery?
Wouldn't think so. A lot of combinations are possible for Ledy R2s. See for instance the R2 entry in this thread.
Wolff defines three 'pure' R2 types on his site to distinguish them from the many other possible combinations which can be found as well. This 'transition' R2 is just another combination of parts. But a special one, at least to me.
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