Thanks for the info.

Some days ago, Marco and Terry (big thanks to both of them) asked my opinion on a yellow LL Luke Jedi cape Terry has, I saw it and thought of it as a sun discolored/dyed pink cape. Terry wrote me back and told me he didn't saw any signs of discoloration... so I went through my stuff and found one cape like his, please take a look:
Terry's cape:




Mine:


Mine: (on the middle):

From left to right brown, green, yellow and pink:

This yellow cape has blue/gray thread, I remember thinking that the blue thread on my cape was a poor repair, but after taking a closer look, the cape is torn and the blue thread came out. You can see the blue thread on the back of the neck still on its place:

Heres a pic of the inside of the cape with the blue thread (on the right):

Just as Terry's cape:

The same blue/gray thread was used on one LL pink cape on the left (due lighting cape looks brown but it's a pink one):

so... I guess this could be a new and different cape for LL Luke Jedi.

Any of you guys have one like these?

More pics here:

https://s1305.photobucket.com/user/OZIO1977/library/luke%20jedi%20yellow%20cape

Proving some of the colour variants is going to be a nightmare due to the age of the toys and natural colour deterration, saying that the colour of these examples is nice and uniform, so from me and thanks for sharing.

i love this thread and all the knowledge u guys share with us LL noobs

Very interesting cape, Ozio.

Great that you posted your findings here, my friend!

Dr Dengar wrote:

Very interesting cape, Ozio.

Great that you posted your findings here, my friend!

Our findings buddy Thanks to you and Terry you both spotted this cape.
Definitely it's not a common cape, I don't remember seeing it before, it's a good thing that there are two, let's wait for more examples.

OZIO wrote:

Dr Dengar wrote:

Very interesting cape, Ozio.

Great that you posted your findings here, my friend!

Our findings buddy Thanks to you and Terry you both spotted this cape.
Definitely it's not a common cape, I don't remember seeing it before, it's a good thing there are two, let's hope for more of them.

Woooaaa Congrats guys on the finding,thanks for the share and love to know /read more about it
this one is a never heard about it,its not as the black stich jawa that was known but never came poping up
again thanks for the share

walkie wrote:

Proving some of the colour variants is going to be a nightmare due to the age of the toys and natural colour deterration, saying that the colour of these examples is nice and uniform, so from me and thanks for sharing.

never mind the variants
this days im just happy to have , just one of each figure compleet ,

Isn't the squidhead cape made from thsame material, if so won't there be loads of colour variants for that figure?

Help needed fellow TIG'ers....

Now that I own two Lili Ledy? ERG's i'm starting to think one of this isn't the real deal ?!?!

Figures used for the comparision....

1.Lili Ledy?
COO#5 - Hong Kong
Helmet - Bright Red
Cape - Fluffy / Darker
Skirt - Backwards / Short
Staff - Dark Grey with circles

2.Lili Ledy?
COO#5 - Hong Kong
Helmet - Dark Red
Cape - Fluffy
Skirt - Long
Staff - Grey with circles

3.Kenner
COO#4 - Tiawan
Helmet - Dark Red
Cape - Lines visible on outside
Skirt - Short
Staff - Light Grey


(l/r) - LL1 / LL2 / Kenner


(l/r) - LL1 / LL2 / Kenner


(l/r) - LL1 / LL2 / Kenner


(l/r) - LL1 / LL2 / Kenner


(l/r) - LL1 / LL2 / Kenner


(l/r) - LL1 / LL2 / Kenner


(l/r) - LL1 / LL2 / Kenner


(l/r) - LL1 / LL2 / Kenner


(l/r) - LL1 / LL2


(l/r) - LL2 / Kenner


(l/r) - LL1 (Dark Grey Circles) / LL2 (Grey Circles) / Kenner (Light Grey)

Hello


Hope these pics can help



Check the bubble, a factory error!!!









It´s just a bag, not sealed, no tape

Cheers

José

I'm having the same issues with my ERGs

2 on the left are Kenner

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I'm having the same issues with my ERGs

IMO he's one of the trickiest to spot, if you take the weapon away.

Now this ERG identification is getting interesting, Marco please observe several "traits" not mentioned in the guides....

I've now included a 3rd figure in the comparision shots with the COO#5 - Hong Kong


(l/r) - LL3 / LL1 / LL2


(l/r) - LL3 / LL1 / LL2


(l/r) - LL3 / LL1 / LL2
Now we see something interesting , LL3 has the copyright symbol level with the horizontal line, LL1 & LL2 are lower.
Marco this is also visible in your guide but not referenced!


(l/r) - LL3 / LL1 / LL2
And more mould differences with LL3
In the small circle there are 2 creases, LL1 & LL2 have only 1
In the large circle the crease nearest the waist does not cross the vertical crease.


(l/r) - LL3 / LL1 / LL2


(l/r) - LL3 / LL1 / LL2
Stitching on the inner skirt...LL3 RED/WHITE, LL1 WHITE, LL2 RED


(l/r) - LL3 / LL1 / LL2
The overlap on the LL3 & LL1 cape is the same, LL2 appears to have a "tiny" overlap

I've just checked my Ledy ERG & it matches your LL3 Stefan (even down to the red & white stitching). In tems of the different position of the copyright stamp, you have to remember that the moulds were produced in pairs & stamped by hand (which explains that difference). However, if the figures came from the same pair of steel moulds I would expect the actual moulding of the limbs to be the same.
I'll have to dig out my Kenner example & see how they compare.

I've checked my Kenner 'Made In Hong Kong' figure.

Edit: I'll get back to you, as on a second inspection it appears to share mould details with LL3 & LL1/2. :scratch: I need some descent light & a hand lens.

Stefan, can you post pics showing the positions of 'Made In' in relation to 'Hong Kong' on your figures?

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I've just checked my Ledy ERG & it matches your LL3 Stefan (even down to the red & white stitching). In terms of the different position of the copyright stamp, you have to remember that the moulds were produced in pairs & stamped by hand (which explains that difference). However, if the figures came from the same pair of steel moulds I would expect the actual moulding of the limbs to be the same.

I believe my LL3 is LEDY (red and white stitching) and LL1 (red course stitching), LL2 has fine stitching and the smaller overlap on the outer cape and a different coloured helmet which I believe is KENNER.

However is this is so LL3 & LL1 have the different (c) positions/different stitching so are there LEDY variants with this figure?

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I've checked my Kenner 'Made In Hong Kong' figure.

Edit: I'll get back to you, as on a second inspection it appears to share mould details with LL3 & LL1/2. :scratch: I need some descent light & a hand lens.

Stefan, can you post pics showing the positions of 'Made In' in relation to 'Hong Kong' on your figures?

I'll take some comparison shots of the MADE IN HONG KONG tonight.

It would be nice the "missing sculpt" detail was LEDY only, but at the moment I still have LL1 & LL2 with have all the sculpt detail and one is possibly LEDY.

ARRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!

Great fieldwork!

I will make a trip to the attic this weekend to dig up the Ledy ERGs and see what I can contribute.

Dr Dengar wrote:

Great fieldwork!

I will make a trip to the attic this weekend to dig up the Ledy ERGs and see what I can contribute.

That would be very welcome, the LEDY ERG has plagued me for a while, which is one of the reasons I left it till last on my LEDY wanted list.

Here are some pics of my 'Made In Hong Kong' ERGs.
Kenner on the left & Ledy is on the right.
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Kenner matches LL1/2 COO stamp, Ledy matches LL3.

@Stefan, the colour of the helmet & cape on your LL2 appears to be the same as my Kenner example. What do you think?

Your LEDY matches my LL3 (LEDY?)...





And the LEDY shown in the guide has the central (c) symbol...

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@Stefan, the colour of the helmet & cape on your LL2 appears to be the same as my Kenner example. What do you think?

Agreed, my LL2 is KENNER.

So far....

My LL3 is LEDY

(c) position.....Mine / Yours / Marco's MATCH
Sculpt detail.....Mine / Yours MATCH (Marco TBC)
Red/White Stitching inner shirt.....Mine / Yours MATCH (Marco TBC)

However My LL1 is ????

The same colour Helmet as my LEDY
The same outer cape stitching as LEDY
(c) position matches KENNER
Sculpt detail matches KENNER
Red/White Stitching inner shirt MATCHES NONE
And it came with a LEDY staff ?!?!?

So at the moment my LL1 could be LEDY, but not GUARANTEED until we get more photos of other figures.

W/o having the figures in hand, can we exclude the possibility that the small observed diffrences in COO and mold detials are in fact small differences which are often observed for pairs of travelling steel molds?

Maybe the differences became more pronounced during the production life time of the molds due to weathering?

I would maybe first concentrate on differences in plastic colour, cape colour/fabric/stitches.

At the same time it is good to include those mold differences here, to keep an open vision.

Your LL1 looks good to me Stefan.
As both Marco & I have said, the moulds travelled in pairs, so it is normal to see 2 slightly different COOs. And the moulds used by Ledy were previously used by Kenner. In theory it should be possible to find a Kenner figure that matches your LL3.

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In theory it should be possible to find a Kenner figure that matches your LL3.

agreed so now we wait....