Dr Dengar wrote:

Lili Ledy 8D8 Variants: Orange hair (left) and standard no hair version (right).

Brings back my memories of "senor Joe"

COO guide for Cloud Car Pilot: No. 5 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner/Palitoy.


NOTE:

• There exist two COOs for the Ledy Cloud Car Pilot. They differ in the relative position of ' L.F.L. 1981' and the main fold on the right leg. The spacing can be smaller (COO no. 5 in the COO guide) or slightly bigger. In the pics below the Ledy Cloud Car Plilot has a COO with the smaller spacing. A comparison is made with a Palitoy Pilot having the bigger spacing (COO no. 5).
  
• Kudos to Scott (Snaggletooth) for making these pics.  
  
  

Cloud Car Pilot: Palitoy (left), Lili Ledy (right)


Cloud Car Pilot: Palitoy (left), Lili Ledy (right)


Cloud Car Pilot: Palitoy (left), Lili Ledy (right)


Cloud Car Pilot: Palitoy (left), Lili Ledy (right)


Cloud Car Pilot: Palitoy (left), Lili Ledy (right)


Cloud Car Pilot: Palitoy (left), Lili Ledy (right)



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Palitoy counterpart, the Ledy Cloud Car Pilot has:
- Darker yellow boot and gloves
- Lighter grey belt, pouch, holster and circle on his chest
- A body which is cast in a more detailed harder plastic ('hard torso', comparable to the plastic used for the Ledy Stormtrooper, 8D8, and hard torso R2D2 variant)


ACCESSORIES
The Ledy Cloud Car Pilot came with:
- a dark grey pilot blaster having a different mould (V9) not yet described on TIG's reference site.
- a dark grey com link having the V2 mould.





Overview of grey pilot blasters and com links. Ledy gun and com link on the right. (pic provided by Wolff)


Further reading on the different types of pilot blasters and com links:

http://www.imperialgunnery.com/pilotblasters.htm

http://www.imperialgunnery.com/otheraccessories.htm  



REMARK: The unique Ledy V3 'nipple' mould com link in the reference guide is probably a V2 artefact. Accordingly the V3 com link was produced by removing it too early from the V2 mould after casting. Because the plastic was not hardened enough it was deformed ("nippled") because of the used physical forces. LL's Quality control didn't matter and so that's how we ended up with the V3 com links, which actually are V2 com links. Other examples to support this theory are the deformed COOs of the Ledy Yoda and Gam Guard which you see sometimes.

REMARK: We can not exclude the possibility that the unique V9 mould of the Ledy gun is an artefact. Accordingly the V9 gun was produced by removing it too early from the V2 mould after casting, causing the rounded tip and the very short scope point.
Proof for more severe deformations happening during the production process is given below (pictures provided by Ozio).

Ledy Cloud Car Pilot guns. Top gun is deformed (trigger hole).


Ledy Cloud Car Pilot guns. Right gun is deformed (trigger hole).



LEDY VARIATIONS

• Paint Variations:
  

There are three paint variations for the CCP:
A) Grey belt, pouch, holster, and chest circle. Dark yellow boots and gloves. (type A was used in the comparison pics with the Palitoy CCP, shown above)  
B) Dark (metallic) grey belt, pouch, holster, and chest circle. Darker yellow boots and gloves compared to type A.
C) Combination of A and B

Ledy Cloud Car Pilot Paint Variations: Type A (left), Type B (right)


Ledy Cloud Car Pilot Paint Variations: Type A (left), Type B (right)


Ledy Cloud Car Pilot Paint Variations: Type A (left), Type B (right)


Ledy Cloud Car Pilot Paint Variations: Type A (left), Type B (right)


Ledy Cloud Car Pilot Paint Variations: Type C.

Source: Ozio

• COO Variations:
  

The Ledy Cloud Car Pliot came at least with two slightly different COOs. They differ in the relative position of ' L.F.L. 1981' and the main fold on the right leg. Kudos to Ozio for providing these pics.

-COO Variation #A: Smaller space between ' 'L.F.L. 1981' and the main fold. This is COO no. 5 in the COO guide.
-COO Variation #B: Bigger space between ' 'L.F.L. 1981' and the main fold.


Ledy Cloud Car Pilot COO Variation #A. Smaller space between ' 'L.F.L. 1981' and the main fold. This is COO no. 5 in the COO guide.


Ledy Cloud Car Pilot COO Variation #B. Bigger space between ' 'L.F.L. 1981' and the main fold.


Ledy Cloud Car Pilot COO Variations #A (top= COO no. 5) and #B (bottom).


NOTE: The paint variations A and B (shown further above under 'paint variations') correspond to respectively COO #A and #B. This is NOT a consistent linkage however.  
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Great additions again Marco mate, Have you spoke to some one who knows for sure that my CCP is the Palitoy variant?

these small differneces on coo can always happen, because there is ALWAYS not only one steel-mold in production. You theorie of the color variants linked to the type of coo is for 100% not true IMO. Ill check later, but Im pretty sure that this is not possible. Both steelmolds were used to produce the LL CCP. The color variants appear while producing: there has happend a change of color at some point. Your "type c" figure is a figure from the time period the change happend.

The both coos corresponding to one color version would mean that from the beginning till the end both colored version were produced at the same time in the same factory with only very less figures known where the parts got mixed!!???? This is impossible, unlogical and for sure not the case

Ill go check mine now.....just to get all peepz in here staisfied!


I totally agree on the "nippled" comlink. I also agree on the mold from the LL blaster, but i thought a kenner pendant is existing and I did make a picture for the TIG site.....strange...Ill check again.

I have 3 CCPs:

grey on coo A

and grey and metallic on coo B


BTW: on your both coo pics the belt looks grey...not one looks metallic from these

Hey Scot, I am not sure whether your CCP figure is Palitoy, the assumption was solely based on the feedback earlier in the threads.

Wolff, thanks for your feedback, highly appreciated!!!

The linkage between the COO and paint scheme for the Ledy CCP is just a wild theory, I don't even think it holds, but it would be nice to check this to be sure. So please proof this theory wrong.

EDIT: While posting I saw you already proofed the theory wrong. Well done, some good research job here!!!

CCP gun: It could be off course that the ‘new’ V9 mould is in fact a deformed V2 mould with a rounded tip and reduced scope point. But I don't think so because I have two dark grey Ledy guns looking exactly the same strengthening my belief this is indeed a specific mould (V9), and it is nice that you agree on this.
It would be interesting whether there would be a Kenner V9 counterpart as well. I won't be surprised, but please let it be light grey, so easy to distinguish. No more Ackbar and Boush Ledy accessories which are tough to identify. .

Dr Dengar wrote:

Hey Scot, I am not sure whether your CCP figure is Palitoy, the assumption was solely based on the feedback earlier in the threads.

Thanks for your reply Marco

wbobafett wrote:

I have 3 CCPs:

grey on coo A

and grey and metallic on coo B

Is that grey and metallic mixed figure or one of each that share COO B?

i would say your blaster is a bit deformed like the nippled comlink! IMO the LL blaster is the same as V2 or V1. Ill have to check it to be sure!

IMO there is also to much blasters in this section V6, V7...arent they the same?? The "circles" are injection points and there is no mold difference in this if they are just indented or not :scratch:

BTT: Ill check later but for now I would say LL is mold V1

Great work again Dr.D

8D8 variants

So there are 5 variants

Dr Dengar wrote:

8D8
LEDY VARIATIONS

• Different leg moulds

Like is the case for the Kenner figure, two types of moulds were used for each of the legs by Lili Ledy, with and without circles on the hip.

Source: Rebelscum.com

So variant collectors will be challenged to hunt for all four different possible combinations:
A) Left leg: Circle. Right leg: Circle
B) Left leg: Circle. Right leg: No circle
C) Left leg: No circle. Right leg: Circle
D) Left leg: No circle. Right leg: No circle


Still collecting 4 different variants is still beter than trying to collect all possible Ledy Biker Scouts variants.

• Orange Hair 8D8

There is an interesting and rare variation of the Ledy 8D8 having a striking resemblance with one of our fellow TIG members. Whether this is a true variation or caused by discolouration is still under heavy debate.

Lili Ledy 8D8 Variants: Orange hair (left) and standard no hair version (right).

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starwizz wrote:

Great work again Dr.D

8D8 variants

So there are 5 variants

That's correct, StarWizz!!!

wbobafett wrote:

i would say your blaster is a bit deformed like the nippled comlink! IMO the LL blaster is the same as V2 or V1. Ill have to check it to be sure!

Good input Wolff.

Let's focus on the Ledy blaster for the moment.




So there are two possibilities. The dark grey Ledy CCP gun is either
1) cast from a mould not yet described in the TIG guide (V9 mould)
2) cast from a known mould (V1 or V2) but deformed after casting

The only way to test what is the best possible explanation is to check as many Ledy CCP blasters as possible.

So please post a pic of your gun ...oh no...let's rephrase...your Ledy CCP blaster here.

TIG needs your input!!

I have one in stock...but its too bad to confirm I think:


Cheers

Wolff

Ledy CCP Blasters...










cheers
Ozio

Hey Ozio...great...but one of this two alson seems to be deformed! Am I wrong??

What happend to these...look all like lightend up a bit!!

Hey Wolff, yes one is deformed, seems like a constant on LL CCP accesories...

OZIO wrote:

Hey Wolff, yes one is deformed, seems like a constant on LL CCP accesories...

Thats very well said!! KUDOS!! I thought the same, but couldnt find the words:
Deforming seems to be a constant on LL CCP accessories!!

'nough said!!

Mine again...better picture

Sweet pic.

Hi Dan,

Good to see you posting here.

Now grap your camera, turn off the nuke flash and post those pics of your Ledy CCP guns!!

ahhhh...I dont wanna see a picture of Dans "Gun"....you???

ahhh btw: thanks wolff for uploading a better picture!!

AJ PMed me link of a current ebay auction.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-VINTAGE-Wampa-Custom-COPY-Lili-Ledy-/280759174353?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415e8d04d1

...what have I done?!!






When will the first AFA graded Black Wampa appear on ebay.



Black Wampa

wbobafett wrote:

ahhhh...I dont wanna see a picture of Dans "Gun"....you???

....I rather not.

wbobafett wrote:

ahhh btw: thanks wolff for uploading a better picture!!

Please forgive me.

Dr Dengar wrote:

...what have I done?!!

Marco, we tried to warn them of the dangers of the mysterious black Wampa... but they wouldn't listen... now look! Aghhh! They've already measured up the acrylic cases, the stickers are being printed as we speak!!!

Repeat... there is no black Wampa, there is no black Wampa, there is no black wampa...






btw - congrats on the individual figure links page one. great addition to this resource

Dr Dengar wrote:

The inner surface of your hood looks very rough to me, more like an artefact than factory made. Maybe that is the reason the numbers are not visible anymore.

Can you still see traces of numbers on the positions where they should be?

There is no track of the numbers

@ Marco:






( I better dont quote your "100 flowers" to keep the thread a bit more "clean".... )

sorry i don't understand your expression of " 100 flowers"