here is my lili ledy Gamorrean Guard.i received it today.someone at afa stole my lili ledy gammo axe and replaced it with a Kenner axe.they still cased it and sent it to me with the kenner axe.who the hell do they think they are.i am outraged.you can clearly see the kenner axe and here is a before pic of my lili ledy gammeron guard and axe before i sent them to afa.more to come off this for sure..Dan.

well you know about my recent dilema i received 12 figures back from AFA.my lili ledy gamorrean guard came back with a kenner axe .i have my before pic i took before i sent to afa and the cased figure now cased from afa. you can clearly see someone at afa stole my ledy gammy axe.mfkr's.also i have several other cased figures i believe that were not labeled right.and realy low balled on the grade's.have a look at these cased figure's are they labeled right from afa.also what is your opinion on ecah figure. what do you think they should be labeled as.check my afa submission list do i have them labeled correctly.please check each figure and check my afa list.let me know if these are labled right or if you think there something else.javi i need your help here big time.i realy need your advice on each figure.




they labeled this figure as kenner.i know this is mis labeled.is it PBP?what is it realy.


this dengar i beleive it is PBP why.because it has a deep scar,dark armour,and pale face they labeled it trilogo variant.is afa right on this or could it be PBP and they should relabel it?


afa labeled this as kenner.i thought this was a PBP why because it has the dark brown chest,no coo,pale face am i right or what is it?



afa labeled this as trilogo pale face.i sent it in as PBP variant.reason why it has a deep scar coo,pale face. my trilogo's of this figure don't don't have the deep scar. is this right?


ok my problem with this figure is why was it graded so fn low 80??this figure is flawless do you think they gave me a low score because they think the helmet is damaged because it has no paint on it?i thought that is how this tiawan variant came?afa idiot's probably don't know this variant so they thought my helmet is damaged but realy this is how it came.what are you guy's thought's about this figur's grade look how fkn cherry it is. OMG!!

Dan im not a fan of the AFA for multiple reasons but you really are putting the wrong information on the submissions labels bud.

E.G You label the Dark Armour Dengar as a "PBP Variant".

This particular figure can be found on both PBP and Trilogo Cards and is know as the Dengar Dark Armour PBP / Tri Logo Variant for starters.

To also add The Dark Brown Rebel Soldier Pale face is also not a "PBP Variant" as you labeled it as it can like the dengar above be found on Tri Logo Cards.

As these are loose submissions they have no evidence as to what card the figure came from so unless is a major variant like the small head Han then the AFA wont add that type of info to the label just because the customer put it on!

Now if the figure was sent on a PBP MOC for U grading they probably would!

You have to remember that the AFA doesn't understand the deeper world of figure variants buddy i remember only last year getting into a heated debate with Tom Derby (AFA Owner) about him wanting to use the variant collectors data thats been compiled from years of research and use it to allow them to add better / accurate labels for figure variants. The last thing variant collectors wanted was the AFA to drive up the prices in this area as well!

The main thing about variant collecting is the vast majority of people (i wont put a huge list of usernames in here) don't buy or submit to the AFA as the 2 things don't marry up very well at all.

The other factor you need to consider is a lot of the work in the field is still on going (look at the TIG PBP Thread) where certain things have only recently been confirmed on way or the other.

The only time the the AFA comes into play with variant collecting is for authentication via CIB for items such as LL Jawa removable Hood, VC Jawa etc

Jay

MAYBE if the variation collectors that DO use AFAs services hadn't argued with Tom, and had been willing to share information, things'd be labeled correctly. As for them swapping your axe out, there's no excuse for that happening at all.

It's obvious that AFA's going to try to grade variants regardless, and without the right information people are going to have gripes like this. Of course it kinda puts a big question mark over the last "A" in AFA.....

Cheers
Joe

Joseph_Y wrote:

MAYBE if the variation collectors that DO use AFAs services hadn't argued with Tom, and had been willing to share information, things'd be labeled correctly.

Who does that ultimately benefit though?

The AFA mainly IMO (and to a degree people like Dan who are wanting to pay money for graded variants)

The vast majority of variant collectors who are complying research aren't into AFA at all so there would be zero benefit to them.

In fact it would probably make it harder for them to find loose variants ungraded and at ungraded prices in the future so i can fully understand them not wanting to share there work with the AFA.

Jay

Labeled correctly or not.... those are some sweet figs!!!!

Unless you plan on selling them in the future.... does it really matter what AFA listed them as?

I really don't understand why people bother for loose figures at all. The only time i could understand it if it was for verification for a rare figure (maybe with a Tom Derby cert). Even then i wouldn't necessarily trust the verification 100%, but i know i could sell it at least.

i forgot to add this figure, this also came from afa with the bunch it is 100% PBP. label could of mentioned it with all the other stuff they said.i did write in the submisssion list.

Just replied in your other thread Dan but i will chime in again here.

The leia boushh would be marked down because of the helmet mate. Its unpainted so they class it as a flaw......sucks i know.

As for the others, well i can't blame AFA for not putting PBP on the labels.
I used to be big into my variations about 2001 and collected them for a few years. Back then those figures you have were called tri variants by everyone, PBP never got a mention.
In fact its only more recently that i have started to see PBP mentioned.

AFA are not collectors, its a business and i don't think any of the actual graders are even allowed to collect SW.
Tom D is not going to inspect every single item himself to work out if something has an odd coo, and they just can't go putting whatever a customer wants on the labels in case they are wrong.

Im not suprised that AFA don't know their arse from their elbow in the variant world, its a mine field. I've been out of it for a around 6-7 years now and other than the obvious ones like Tri hoth soldier im completely lost.

I can understand your frustration tho bud, they are supposed to be the ultimate authority in action figures lol.

I can see why Tom wanted info about variants, but i completely agree that this would send variation prices even more thru the roof and in the long run would be a bad idea for 99% of variation collectors.

Forgot to mention the fact your axe got switched really sucks. Hopefully it was a simple error, and they will sort it out for you.

ya they have not replied to my email's they never have. i've done thousand's of dollars of business with these people. once in a while they get it wrong but this time i'm outraged.and i've called them twice.there not answering there phone. still no call back.what am i to do,i've been collecting ,buying,and trading SW since 1992..i never had anything this bad happen.i can understand ledy stuff form mexico shit is common. but AFA the all mighty AFA.unbeleivable.i wish i could talk to tom one on one, least he could do.

I admit the axe going missing is not cool and your right to chase up bud

However regarding the labeling Dan what you put wasn't acurate buddy

ya i'm just a little heated.
afa has'nt got back to me yet.i'm so frusterarted.i'll i want AFA to do is fix my ledy gammy.
i wanna thank everyone for their support ,jay your a good tig friend i'm glad your here when i need you in my bad time's.sincerely Dan.

Hey Dan, as someone pointed out on rebelscum, the figure itself doesn't match up either. Your before pic has wear to his horns that the graded one doesn't. Did you submit the right figure or did they mix up your submission for someone else's altogether???????

Confusing but entertaining

the stuff i sent in was 100% ledy figure and weapon what they sent back,well this figure is ledy,maby someone else's also it's not my axe either.i don't know what's going on .it's a real fubar.my ledy figure and ledy axe probably went to someone else and i have someone else's figure with wrong axe.i'll never know, afa has'nt replied to my email or called me back,they did'nt answer their phone when i called twice today.Dan.

shit dan , i just noticed all the watch-out's yuve already posted in a short time, you really havent had much luck recently

hope things turn out better in the futur for you , still thanks for the warnings

my self i'll never become a afa fan so , no worries for me here

yeah i spend thousand's of dollar's every month on vintage sw stuff .it put's me at a higher risk to get bad stuff compared to a guy that only buy's 1 figure every two month's.i buy in mass quantities so my probability rate is much higher to run in into trouble.i deal with a lot of people i wish they made internet condom's for heavy purchasers like my self. Dan.

well i have great new's.tanisha from afa just emailed me with an apology email.she said they are going to fix this situation and apologised for the mishap.hooray.i finally feel like i'm reaching nirvana.lol.i'm just worried now do they know what a lili ledy axe looks like i hope they don't send it back with another kenner.man can you all feel my frusteration or what.i also have several people to thank, they personaly talked to tom on my behalf,i think that's what got the ball moving,thank you chris,joe,jay for all the help with calls and emails to afa for me.we got r done.Dan.

well once i get my figure redone at afa and everything clear's.i probably will have this thread locked or deleted.if afa does right by me which i am pretty sure they will.than that's what i think is best what do you guy's think,i still like afa i think it was an honest mistake.i just blew up all my frusteration from all the other bullshit that has happened to me recently.it all wound up in a ball and exploded. :explosion: afa happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.sincerely dan. :explosion:

Glad everything worked out for you Dan .

Jason

thank you jason.Dan.

I'm also glad to hear they finally got back to you. I hope it is all smooth sailing from here.

yeah i do to shawn.i'm hoping for the best.i think i'm gonna be alright.i'm going to stay positive,i hope afa can make a quick turnaround on this.i think if afa does this fix i might remove this thread,i just don't want to be reminded of it.i was taught to forgive and forget but sometimes it's hard for me to let go.i can only get dumped on so much.i exploded.i'm really wore out.Dan.

Great news Dan, i'm genuinely pleased for you.
I wonder if there's a moral in all this...

Nice one Dan, perhaps the thread should be renamed once this happens