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pattejan Imperial Commander
Posts : 327 Join date : 2012-05-21 Age : 49 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:11 am | |
| Thanks for the pics Clint! I' ve checked the completed listings of AT-ST Driver MOCs on ebay. Unfortunately most of the listings don't show the blaster clearly ... But all pics that were good enough seem to prove that: TJ factory code = fat blaster and small crease (Taiwan COO) HT factory code = flat blaster and large crease (No COO) NOTE: It's not the thin blaster, I'm sure it's flat!I have to admit that sometimes I wasn't able to tell whether the crease is small or large by looking at the pics. So help is needed here still! Please have a look at your AT-ST Drivers concerning the crease and COO. I am still convinced that small crease means Taiwan COO and large crease means no COO but maybe I'm wrong ... :scratch: If anyone has a figure that doesn't fit in with my assumption please let me know. |
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walkie Senior Developer
Posts : 5086 Join date : 2012-11-05 Age : 48 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:23 am | |
| I know this isn't a mould difference but TW figures have a wide stance compared to NO COO figures having a narrow stance. This rule applies to all four of my figures, including LL no coo's.
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pattejan Imperial Commander
Posts : 327 Join date : 2012-05-21 Age : 49 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:21 am | |
| - walkie wrote:
- I know this isn't a mould difference but TW figures have a wide stance compared to NO COO figures having a narrow stance. This rule applies to all four of my figures, including LL no coo's.
Stef, I agree with you on this observation but thought it was not worth mentioning it ... initially. As I read your post and thought about it again ... I came to the conclusion it's worth mentioning it indeed! I now think it is actually a mould difference because there must be a difference on the hip joints of the two families (either on the legs or on the torso or on both of them) to cause a wide or a narrow stance! Cheers mate, I have added this feature to my description! |
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walkie Senior Developer
Posts : 5086 Join date : 2012-11-05 Age : 48 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:17 am | |
| I've been staring at my AT-ST driver figure now till I'm dizzy in the head I'm not 100% sure on the crease on the front is a moulding difference. Having measured both creases dimensional the feature seems the same, however due to overspray it appears to be smaller on one COO and not the other so is this a red herring? Same 'small' differences I've spotted.... 1. The square on the side of the TW helmet is larger 2. TW has thicker boot soles 3. No COO boots have an additional horizontal line around the back portion Sorry no photos as I've had to put my figures down , but like I say these differences are SMALL! |
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pattejan Imperial Commander
Posts : 327 Join date : 2012-05-21 Age : 49 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:29 am | |
| Great work Stef! I've added your descriptions of these differences including new pics to my AT-ST Driver post. Also I've marked the whole sheet as work in progress as I'm not completely sure about the crease anymore. But ... I haven't seen a picture yet which disproves my assumption. Alex pmed me that he will send me pics. When I'm wrong about the crease I will remove the respective pic and description. These are the new pics I've added: I larger square, larger dot, thicker rim compared to II I has thicker boot soles than II II boots have an additional horizontal line around the back portion |
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aussiejames Admin
Posts : 7732 Join date : 2009-11-12 Age : 50 Location : Western Australia
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:40 am | |
| Scrap the wide stance thing, I have 5 no Coo ( two are wide stance) IMO no such thing as wide stance for any figure. Some 'hard torso' figures have this trait. Only one Taiwan ATST here so it's a bit hard for me to confirm differences. Check the inside of the boot for extra detail? |
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walkie Senior Developer
Posts : 5086 Join date : 2012-11-05 Age : 48 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:18 am | |
| Good work AJ, I only have 2 TW's and 2 NO COO's so if you have a mix of wide/narrow stance NO COO's then I agree it's not reliable.
As for the crease, looking at mine again today i's say 99.9999999999% it's an optical illusion which is caused by the over spray. Lets see what Alex's pm say anyway. |
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cantina_patron TIG Benefactor
Posts : 5371 Join date : 2011-10-26 Age : 52 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:48 am | |
| I've checked my loose AT-ST Drivers, and based on my examples I'm also not convinced that there is notable difference in the crease above the belt. As has already been mentioned, I think the apparent difference is cause by the paint application. I (Taiwan) on the left. Here's a better pic. of the crease on my Tri-Logo Taiwan figure. I've noticed another difference with the boots. If you look at the mold seams on the outside of the boots, II (no coo) has what appears to be a Sprue break near the top of each one. I (Taiwan) lacks these. Edit: I've just noticed that sprue breaks are also present on the inside of each boot of II (no coo).
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aussiejames Admin
Posts : 7732 Join date : 2009-11-12 Age : 50 Location : Western Australia
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pattejan Imperial Commander
Posts : 327 Join date : 2012-05-21 Age : 49 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:20 pm | |
| James, I'm not sure about the wide stance thing. IMO it could be mould caused but on the other hand it's possible to modify the stance by bending or compressing the legs. So at the moment I would leave the picture of the stance differences in the sheet and wait for more opinions. :scratch: Steve, thanks for your pics! I think it's the same on my figures with this sprue breaks, good work! Stef, I'm not convinced that the crease difference is just an optical illusion ... I haven't received Alex' pics yet but I have stared on my figs again and I am still positive that the creases are different. I've tried to take photos of both AT-ST Driver torsos with the same camera angle and added some horizontal lines to show that both torsos have the same size. Line #3 and #4 define the crease of the No COO figure (II) but the crease on the TW figure (I) doesn't fill the distance between line #3 and #4. So the crease on I must be smaller than the crease on II. As for EV-9D9, there was a discussion about these differences on the german forum but it wasn't finished: http://www.lichtgeschwindigkeit.de/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1186&p=338041#p337810 |
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pattejan Imperial Commander
Posts : 327 Join date : 2012-05-21 Age : 49 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:52 am | |
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walkie Senior Developer
Posts : 5086 Join date : 2012-11-05 Age : 48 Location : UK
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pattejan Imperial Commander
Posts : 327 Join date : 2012-05-21 Age : 49 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:59 am | |
| Thanks Stef, I'm glad you like it. I'm still looking for the missing COO variant II1b ... but every time I think I've found it, it turns out to be II1a ... |
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walkie Senior Developer
Posts : 5086 Join date : 2012-11-05 Age : 48 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:18 am | |
| I just checked and mine is the II1a |
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pattejan Imperial Commander
Posts : 327 Join date : 2012-05-21 Age : 49 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:47 am | |
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cantina_patron TIG Benefactor
Posts : 5371 Join date : 2011-10-26 Age : 52 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:00 am | |
| Nice work Patrick, you've got a great eye for detail. |
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General Kahn Force Addict
Posts : 3099 Join date : 2011-04-10 Age : 45 Location : England
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:16 am | |
| Just finished a Wally sheet, there's 3 hours I'll never get back |
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pattejan Imperial Commander
Posts : 327 Join date : 2012-05-21 Age : 49 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:59 am | |
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General Kahn Force Addict
Posts : 3099 Join date : 2011-04-10 Age : 45 Location : England
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:09 pm | |
| Yours is better than mine anyway Patrick should be back on line later so I'll add some links to your recent entries |
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General Kahn Force Addict
Posts : 3099 Join date : 2011-04-10 Age : 45 Location : England
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Sat Jul 05, 2014 6:37 pm | |
| Updated with: Chewbacca Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi Walrus Man Imperial Commander Rancor KeeperAll hyperlinks to Patricks entries have also been added |
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pattejan Imperial Commander
Posts : 327 Join date : 2012-05-21 Age : 49 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:54 pm | |
| Great update Alex! I have nearly finished an Ackbar sheet, hope I can add it tomorrow. |
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Commander Clint TIG Benefactor
Posts : 1996 Join date : 2012-04-10 Age : 54 Location : Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:00 pm | |
| Excellent work guys. I don't always have time to comment on all the great things happening here on the Gunnery, but I must say, you guys are putting in a lot of excellent hard work. |
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pattejan Imperial Commander
Posts : 327 Join date : 2012-05-21 Age : 49 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:44 am | |
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pattejan Imperial Commander
Posts : 327 Join date : 2012-05-21 Age : 49 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:49 am | |
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cantina_patron TIG Benefactor
Posts : 5371 Join date : 2011-10-26 Age : 52 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:58 am | |
| Excellent new entrys Patrick. |
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