How can AFA grade this if it is the first one they have seen? Or isn't it the first one?
http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1083008/#post18853898


I mean they didn't even know of the Dark Stitching..is that right?
Sure there was thread about AFA refusing them, because they didn't know about it. Turns out Dark Del Toro has a few carded.
What makes them so sure this is legit? The bubble seal?

I guess it's like the ESB Toltoys VC Jawa- something had to be first. I'm not sure who their 'experts' are these days.

Pretty sure they had more than one example to go by at the time though They definately had more evidence than just a carded figure.

I didn't look at the pictures properly- it's a NON removable hood version
The cape material is unique to Ledy- very strange.

Sorry mate. Should of made that clearer My bad

This is exactly why I asked him to talk to Tom D. about how many numbers are out there.... I'd sure like to learn more about this. No one seems to know about this variant/factory error or whatever it is

Well I don't think I have even heard of this as a maybe before? Not like say, the Palitoy VC Jawa is talked about.
Seems strange that out of the blue one shows up and they just grade it.

Mwahahahahhhaa......wow.....the next LL Jawa variant....out of nowhere.

I would like to see a proper deatil of the cape.

In LL factory everything is possible......on the other hand why trust a label that even falls for obvious repros??

We will see......I would like to here Ozios input on that!

I spoke to tom d about this a few weeks ago. He apparently picked up a loose example of lili ledy jawa with a fixed hood a few years back in a batch of figures from a reputable mexico collector. The material and stitching matched the rem hood jawa perfectly. He was always confused as to why someone would sew the hood back onto a jawa. Then this carded example came through afa and pretty much validated that they came with the hood sewn on as well.

It's amazing to me that we learn new stuff about these figures all the time.

Has anyone even heard of anyone who had one as a child before? You know like some people thought they had a Rocket Fett when they were younger. Surely by now someone would of said "LL had removable and non removable hood Jawa's...I had both as a kid..."
Don't think I have ever heard anyone even speculate.
Like you say, anything is possible though, I guess.

dylbacca wrote:

I spoke to tom d about this a few weeks ago. He apparently picked up a loose example of lili ledy jawa with a fixed hood a few years back in a batch of figures from a reputable mexico collector. The material and stitching matched the rem hood jawa perfectly. He was always confused as to why someone would sew the hood back onto a jawa. Then this carded example came through afa and pretty much validated that they came with the hood sewn on as well.

It's amazing to me that we learn new stuff about these figures all the time.

This came out while I was posting.
Thanks for the info, Dylan.

wait a second...it should be sewn on??? Thats nonsense if you ask me! Thats a hell of a job to sew the hood back on that cape instead making it out of one piece of cloak....and btw this isnt even propably working with a machine when cloak and hood are already sewn!!

The text from robby btw says: No stitching. So I would have guessed its made out of one piece??

I sent Ozio an email to get his take on this....

wbobafett wrote:

wait a second...it should be sewn on??? Thats nonsense if you ask me! Thats a hell of a job to sew the hood back on that cape instead making it out of one piece of cloak....and btw this isnt even propably working with a machine when cloak and hood are already sewn!!

The text from robby btw says: No stitching. So I would have guessed its made out of one piece??

Yeah that's what I thought he was saying also, Wolf. :scratch:
So going off what Dylan told us from his discussion with Tom.D...

" He was always confused as to why someone would sew the hood back onto a jawa."

Doesn't sound like it is the same as what has been graded here, if this one IS one piece. I didn't pick that up first time round.

This sounds almost too good to be true. How come no one have ever heard about it except for Tom Derby who first now confirms he bought one in a lot a couple of years ago? What would be the reason for not telling about it? Greed? Knowledge? However, it would be great if it were legit. Great if there are items out there still undiscovered.

I know that LL made a lot of mistakes and changes through it's production process and I know that everything is possible but I have never heard of a LL jawa with a one piece cloak or a sewn on hood, never. The one and only thing I don't like about this is that everything is happening at the same time, first a big find of LL carded Jawas, a dark stitches variation and now a one piece cloak.
Does anyone knows If this one piece cloak came from the same lot found recently?

Del Toro Sith all ready agreed to let me take a look ands some pictures to his LL carded Jawas with dark stitches.
I'll let you know and share them latter.

Cheers
Ozio

Sewing the hood on the cloak sounds like a bad job by a Lili Ledy intern, on the morning after the night before.

Not convinced yet till there is some more evidence provided.

I agree. There has to be some more evidence for me to truely believe it.

I think my post was a little misunderstood. What i meant when i said "He was always confused as to why someone would sew the hood back onto a jawa." I didn't mean to indicate that someone had actually sewn the hood back onto a Jawa cloak. What i was trying to convey is that when Tom first found the loose piece he was intrigued because after inspecting it, only two possibilities arose: 1. someone had sewn the hood back onto a Jawa cloak or 2. Lili Ledy had actually produced a regular non removable hood Jawa at some point.

Subsequently because it was improbable that someone had taken the time to sew the hood back onto a jawa, a theory was born that a non removable hood variant was produced by Lili Ledy. When the non removable hood version was submitted amongst several other legit removable hood Jawas, the hypothesis was confirmed.

make sense?

Honestly, I don't think there is anything to gain by wrongly verifying and authenticating this figure. I genuinely believe that there has been enough info compiled for me to accept its existence. For those of you who need more empirical evidence, i get it, but I'm sold on its legitimacy, and excited about the new info.

Maybe I need to reread things here but I am still confused, is the robe one piece (no stitching between the robe and hood), or is it 2 pieces (a hood and robe) that have been sewed together (in the factory, or by some other source)? I just want to make sure I understand this.... Thanks : )

dylbacca wrote:

Honestly, I don't think there is anything to gain by wrongly verifying and authenticating this figure. I genuinely believe that there has been enough info compiled for me to accept its existence. For those of you who need more empirical evidence, i get it, but I'm sold on its legitimacy, and excited about the new info.

No, but AFA has done some mistakes grading very questionable stuff over the years. I don't have 100 % confidence in their job. One thing that comes to mind is the graded Yak Face baggie.

Yzerman wrote:

dylbacca wrote:

Honestly, I don't think there is anything to gain by wrongly verifying and authenticating this figure. I genuinely believe that there has been enough info compiled for me to accept its existence. For those of you who need more empirical evidence, i get it, but I'm sold on its legitimacy, and excited about the new info.

No, but AFA has done some mistakes grading very questionable stuff over the years. I don't have 100 % confidence in their job. One thing that comes to mind is the graded Yak Face baggie.

Hey man, I completely agree with you. I personally own AFA mistakes. I don't think they are the end all be all experts in the field, in fact, quite the opposite. I just think that in this particular case, i am a believer. That is all.

Steve, on any jawa, the hood and the robe are two separate pieces sewn together. This one is the same as any other, but the fabric and stitching match that of a Lili Ledy removable hood, except the hood is fixed.

OZIO wrote:

I know that LL made a lot of mistakes and changes through it's production process and I know that everything is possible but I have never heard of a LL jawa with a one piece cloak or a sewn on hood, never. The one and only thing I don't like about this is that everything is happening at the same time, first a big find of LL carded Jawas, a dark stitches variation and now a one piece cloak.
Does anyone knows If this one piece cloak came from the same lot found recently?

Del Toro Sith all ready agreed to let me take a look ands some pictures to his LL carded Jawas with dark stitches.
I'll let you know and share them latter.

Cheers
Ozio

FINALLY! Someone said it!!!!!! This deserves a quote all on it's own!

RebelChris wrote:

OZIO wrote:

I know that LL made a lot of mistakes and changes through it's production process and I know that everything is possible but I have never heard of a LL jawa with a one piece cloak or a sewn on hood, never. The one and only thing I don't like about this is that everything is happening at the same time, first a big find of LL carded Jawas, a dark stitches variation and now a one piece cloak.
Does anyone knows If this one piece cloak came from the same lot found recently?

Del Toro Sith all ready agreed to let me take a look ands some pictures to his LL carded Jawas with dark stitches.
I'll let you know and share them latter.

Cheers
Ozio

FINALLY! Someone said it!!!!!! This deserves a quote all on it's own!

I guess that is a good point. Sometimes weird synergies happen all over the place though. A year ago, a case of VC jawas showed up. Also, at the end of last year, 3 or 4 carded Blue Stars came up for sale. I know there was a pretty large collection of carded Lili Ledy Jawas submitted by one source, and these may all be from the same find. anyways...???

dylbacca wrote:

I guess that is a good point. Sometimes weird synergies happen all over the place though. A year ago, a case of VC jawas showed up. Also, at the end of last year, 3 or 4 carded Blue Stars came up for sale. I know there was a pretty large collection of carded Lili Ledy Jawas submitted by one source, and these may all be from the same find. anyways...???

Oh I totally know what you mean Dylan, weird stuff happens all the time. However, it's just really odd that so much of this was really out of left field after years of being on the market. IMO anyway (and please correct me if I'm wrong) the Uzay's, especially carded, where kind of a "known" entity as far as quantity and such. I just think it's odd that after all these years of countless people searching one day 7 or 8 pop up out of the blue. If that's not a head scratcher, I don't know what is!