wbobafett wrote:

javiswspain wrote:

Lol Alex !! The book is going very well i am still learning a lot By writing it !!
Still a long way To go , but i have friends who are helping me
Cheers !!

You need to go faster     

  

Sorry but i have no spare time to go faster

[quote="wbobafett"]hey Javi,

have you found the reversed emblem red over blue in US?? That would be interesting!

The apple green one has IMO Kenner head. So its a hybrid if you will so....Made out of PBP/POCH parts and overstock.....but thzese are all just theories...

i think this is right and the same for LL and pbp yoda`s,., from left to right is LL,pbp,LL,pbp.,

sw.1979 wrote:

these are 3 of my apple yoda`s from spain,

How is possible that the four compete Apple green Yoda i bought in Spain have UNCIRCLED accessories and yours have  circles on them??its weird:scratch: :scratch: :scratch: 
BTW :All my yodas have darker hands and feets (which match the exact color with the head)compared with yours   :scratch: the snakes and sticks doesn't looks the same as mines either  
BTW2: the carded example i was able to check match exactly with my figures.

i have seen these in moc with circled snake and belt and cane and with out them,. only ones i have seen with out but never the moc,.

here is one of my apple kenner with the poch,.

here is a pic of the scars you would find on this figure,.

and here is a pic of one with out scar`s as the torso is not welded.,

hello

sorry to send this post in the middle of a discution, can't help you there sw1979   

I need your opinion about those fig I got this morning from spain:


the rebel commander is a pbp with dark boots with bobble on painting and malt mark.

the rebel soldier has whitter legs and neck than his kenner counterpart, small black line on the pocket, bobble on the leg paintings, but the inner part of the legs between torso and legs is not completly brown. it is more brown than the kenner version, but complitly brown as I could see on some pictures. what do you think?



the at-at driver has red symbol. is it melt marks on the ass? is this poch?



the snowtrooper has brown marks on legs and arms, and was not sonnic welded as I could see some glue on both side of the torso




thanks again JAVI and SERGIO for helping me to receive those figures (but they are not from them otherwise I would not ask if they are poch)

Nicolas,

I was replying to your email …i would ask you a favor, i will let you know soon ….

The black boots RC is Poch for sure , and the RS looks ok too.

The At-at seems to be MAYBE Poch aswell, the variant with red emblems , but the white paint looks no ok to me , a bit dull compared with the real Poch White paint, however…
I would ask you to look for a vertical or "L" shaped melt marks on the sides of the legs, thats a sign on some Poch variants.

The snowie seems to be MAYBE the"univisor" Poch variant, but i wouldn't put my hand on the fire for that figure…

Hope this help

Cheers

Javi

hi javi, let me know for your favor, I would be glad to do it.

couldn't really notice a melt mark on the side of the leg of the at driver, do you have a picture of that?
instead, I noticed plastic on the side of the foots, is this interresting?

i would say that the flashing on the plastic is a regular flaw in the whole vintage production included Kenner. I wouldn't take that  as a exclusive Poch characteristic ...

Nicolas, Please look for a small "scratch" in the plastic on the front just below the right shoulder pad of the Snowtrooper. All split vizor Poch Snowtroopers which I have seen, got this scratch. I have checked several of the Kenner coo brothers and NONE of them had this scratch. Normally you should always look for paint differences, but this scratch is so characteristic, that it's a sure Poch sign imo. This scratch could be either big or small, BUT it's present on all Poch split vizor HK Snowtroopers and not on the Kenner HK split vizor Snowtroopers.

Forget about the brown spots in the plastic. All though being a Poch sign (Rebel Commander, Lobot, Lando etc), you can also find these marks occasionally on Kenner figures - especially figures as the Snowtroopers.

Btw the joined vizor Poch Snowtrooper doesn't have the scratch beneath the right shoulder pad, but at least some Poch Jawas have also..

AT-AT Driver: I have two kind of red painted emblems on Poch AT-AT Drivers. There is also a Poch AT-AT Driver with orange helmet emblems btw..

Anyway while one of my Poch AT-AT Drivers appears to have standard Kenner red painted helmet emblems (mixed up)??, I have two in my collection with more purple paint to the helmet emblems. I have never seen this more purple reddish paint on any Kenner AT-AT Driver helmets. The emblems are pretty "fat", and the location on the helmet is also intersting. One of the emblems (and only one)!! is located VERY, VERY close to the mid section of the helmet on both my Poch samples with reddish purple emblems. Again is no evidence of being Poch unique but very interesting never the less. Other Poch "hints" are the rubbed off paint on the butt (not unique) as well as the gaps in the sides of the torso and helmet due to bad welding/poor production quality. As Javi mentions, the Poch variant has very white paint with "stains" on the gloves & shoulder pads. You can however find Poch samples with more off white/greyish paint to the gloves and shoulder pads also. In fact you can find combos of white & grey painted shoulder pads and gloves in the same Poch AT-AT Driver. For instance a grey and white painted glove in combo with a grey and white shoulder pad. As far as I recall, Wolff has one or two Poch AT-AT Drivers with this mixture of paint.

Imo the real unmixed Poch AT-AT Driver variant should have the white painted gloves and shoulder pads, but nothing can be taken for given in any ways. But it's a possibility for sure!  

The Poch Snowtroopers often have a small penis on the crotch as well as possible meltmark(s) on the butt. Again it's only hints though and should not be used on it's own to classify a Poch Snowtrooper  

A small penis?!?! and briefly moving on, whilst re-documenting my collection I found this luke bespin.

What would you class him as POCH, PBP, Hybrid?

Some of his Spanish features...

Dark Boots
Melt mark on butt
Cracks on torso around one arm, also present on the front of the figure
Different arms, one hand pink, one cream/white
Poor spray application on the cream/white hand, unpainted on the rear
Scarred COO
Cracked torso between the legs, opens up when legs are rotated so probable flashing on the leg joints?

Cheers Alex, PBP/Euro it is

@kenneth: thank you so much for your help here. I tried to identify those sign you talked about. here are some pictures of those details:

mark below shoulder of snowtrooper (here it's on the left soulder) is it what you were talking about?


small penis??  


about at-at driver: the sign on helmet are more purple than the other at driver red symbol I got. and they are not centered. The one on the right goes really on the side, and is not round anymore.



it is not very sonic welded


and scratch on but


verdict??

but according to wolff, at-at driver coo is not poch   

Hey Nicolas,

Maybe I should get a pair of glasses - or simply just pay more attention to pics, since I confused your joined helmet vizor Snowtropper with a split vizor one LOL! 

Never the less I have e-mailed you regarding the joined vizor Snowtrooper of yours, which I'm quite convinced is Poch/PBP produced - just like tha AT-AT Driver, Rebel Soldier & Rebel Commander in the small four figure Spanish lot. I have also explained to you why, that I believe that your JOINED helmet vizor Snowtrooper is being Poch.

Huge congrats on a great Poch/PBP purchase Nicolas!!   

Kenneth

chiktabba wrote:

but according to wolff, at-at driver coo is not poch   

I never said that.....and whats with the eyeroll??

This was your question via email:
Hère is a coo from at-at driver from Spain i got today, and It has 4 dot around the coo. Do you have this one?
Cheers


I said: the "bubbles" are not exclusive to Poch....and the COO is also not unique and I have it....though?!?!?
I ment the figure is not Poch IMO.

in addition: the pinkish helmet emblems are also not unique to Poch...

but I think I simply do not answer ANY questions anymore on this topic also not via Pm or email! Best you ask Kenneth, Javi or Marco!?!?!?

To Anyone: Please stop bombarding me with Poch questions: I will IGNORE them from now on!!!

Ps: A German, a french, a dutch and a spanish guy talking in english?? Missunderstnadings must happen! But I dont accept "eyerolls" nor do wish my "private answers" to be public! Thank you!

@wolff, sorry for misunderstanding your mail, I thought you said it was not a poch fig; the eyes roll just means I was sad it is not a poch. it's true my english is not really good... I thought you would be interrested by the coo as I hanven't seen it on coo guide.

@kenneth: thank you very much for your friendly help and expertise on poch fig, you really helped me with all the details in your mails and pictures you sent me. I really appriciate   

The more I delve into Poch features, the harder it gets to affirm that such or such trait is unique to Poch. IMO, it's always a combination of features which lead to "think" that a given figure is "most likely" Poch. 100% affirmations... well, that i find a little risky, as Javisw always says  

BTW: a figure that did get distributed by Poch and from which a couldn't find any distinguishing feature is the 2-1B. Any updated find on the subject?

Its seems that every figure which comes from Spain should be  Poch or what??? :scratch:  :scratch: 

There are LOADS of "Spanish sellers" trying to sell their s**t this days.THose sellers sell Kenner figures as a Poch ones.

That Nicolas´s lot from Spain comes from a seller who tried to cheat Nicolas, Nicolas asked Sergio and me to help him.Thanks God we have lucky enough to make the seller send the figures after almost two months...There was at last one or two "new" BUT well known "spanish sellers" involved in that issue.If the long-time variant collectors still supporting those "new" sellers by informing or dealing  with them, then the Poch collecting will go to the trash,as its already happened).

I ,personally,will never deal with those sellers, i will never share information with them and i will never reply to any of its questions if comes to me.Neither if the last Poch figure missing in my collection would be in their hands.If i would support those guys i would be as guilty as them with theirs scams!! SO NO WAY!!

Seriously, there is not common sense this days or??Its really worth support this guys for a handfull of "Poch" figures ?? its the honour in the hobby absolutely lost??

THEY ARE CHEATING PEOPLE USING OUR KNOWLEDGE!and YES, i am shouting!

I can ,of course, put names and facts on every "new seller" who pop up in the forums, ebay or in the spanish second-hand pages.In fact, i really don't know why i have that consideration with those scammers , i should open a "watch out " thread on very one of them…

I think i would need a "Break" on all this s**t...

Hi javi, thanks again for your great help.   

it's sad but this kind of guy are everywhere, it happen to me again today, in france this time (look watch out section if you want to know more), anyway...

Most of the time I meet nice guy in the hobby, otherwise it would not worth it.