Mike, i need to clarify what you mean by "etched edges", i dont understand what you mean. The edges are straight cuts, not rounded like on a kenner figure, is that what you mean? Apart from that, the figure seems pretty much normal except the large bubble. I have been told it's PBP, but im certainly open to other suggestions, very few people seem to know for sure what it is. I wonder if anyone else has one like it, even if it's a diffrent character???

mike-skywalker wrote:

They are mixed. I had a quick look over the figures.
Amanaman, Leia Combat, Zuckuss, Teebo, Wicket, Lumat,Nikto and Barada are spanish Trilogos.
Maybe I missed out some figures.

Sorry, my mistake. Leia Combat in the spanish star wars stuff archive is NOT a spanish Trilogo card.
It does have the Macao punch...but the blister is a small one...which was only used in France.

javiswspain wrote:

Well, that confirmed PBP variants have minor flaws in theirs molds( a plane mark/s on back),(i have confirmend with Mirco,MikeskywalKer, owner of an other Rc black boots and his RC have the same flaws as mine).
Long time ago i realized that some "regular" figures found in a Spainsh lots, purchased fron NON COLLECTORS SELLERS(so mix up with Kenner figures was not possible)have the same minor flaws on thiers molds and have differnet paint job.Some of that figures were resold time ago , but i still having some of them ....
Here you are a pict of my RC black boots, Han hoth Chocolatte legs , Sandpeople and luke bespin.
You can see the minor flaws(plane marks on back) that i mean
what do you think guys? did you found in others countries that kind of plane marks on back?
ALso please check the comparison shot between my Kenner translucend face and the Luke found in Spain(differnt paint job on face and hands also grey limbs)PLay attention to the white hands on luke bespin and luke pilot.

NOTE : ALL the marks on figure´s back are NOT playwear

Still looking for figures with same plane marks on back, any info or opinions?
Cheers
JAvi

CLONERZ wrote:

Mike, i need to clarify what you mean by "etched edges", i dont understand what you mean. The edges are straight cuts, not rounded like on a kenner figure, is that what you mean? Apart from that, the figure seems pretty much normal except the large bubble. I have been told it's PBP, but im certainly open to other suggestions, very few people seem to know for sure what it is. I wonder if anyone else has one like it, even if it's a diffrent character???

By etched I think he means they are bevelled edges on the blister corners going from front to back instead of the other Tri-bubbles which are smooth. Hope this helps dude. My tri Scout has bevelled edges. Not sure which are rarer the smooth or bevelled.

I have recently obtained a Luke Bespin. It has COO no. 5 in Wolff's scheme
It also came with a LL/PBP saber. As it is not a LL figure to me, I wonder whether it could be PBP.

Any ideas?

Dr Dengar wrote:

I have recently obtained a Luke Bespin. It has COO no. 5 in Wolff's scheme
It also came with a LL/PBP saber. As it is not a LL figure to me, I wonder whether it could be PBP.

Any ideas?

Hi Dr Dengar, to me is a regular translucent face variant,where did you found it if may i ask ?

javiswspain wrote:

Hi Dr Dengar, to me is a regular translucent face variant,where did you found it if may i ask ?

Hey Javi, I bought the figure via ebay. I have just sent you a PM for the details.

Dr Dengar wrote:

javiswspain wrote:

Hi Dr Dengar, to me is a regular translucent face variant,where did you found it if may i ask ?

Hey Javi, I bought the figure via ebay. I have just sent you a PM for the details.

Hi Marco!,
PM on the way mate,
Javi

Hi Javi how is the PBP guide coming along.

vintageSWfan wrote:

Hi Javi how is the PBP guide coming along.

The TIG developer team is working now on the PBP guide , We need some time to put all the info together
Cheers
JAvi

Good stuff Javi.

Hi Javi

I finally got round to reading through this thread and its great info your getting down, great that every ones chipping in too.

I seen this what rebel chris posted on another thread and thought it might help, Lando with out the black neck.(hope you don't mind me posting it here chris)

Lando black neck was only released on Poch Cards. This here is a common Hong Kong figure...not even the no coo scar Lando.

Thanks, Is this a re-card then or did PBP sell the HK fig also? Where did the Lando scar COO fig originate from?

The Poch logo was on ESB cards Snaggletooth - PBP was just a longer company name, the first P in PBP = Poch

As far as I can remember from speaking to Uli, Scars were from HK molds that were altered.

So - the black neck lando is Spanish but an earlier released figure, the Lando above if it's an HK COO means it was just produced before the molds were altered.

Joe_O wrote:

The Poch logo was on ESB cards Snaggletooth - PBP was just a longer company name, the first P in PBP = Poch

As far as I can remember from speaking to Uli, Scars were from HK molds that were altered.

So - the black neck lando is Spanish but an earlier released figure, the Lando above if it's an HK COO means it was just produced before the molds were altered.

Thanks for that Joe, I only ask because I have a lando with scar and automatically presumed he was PBP but the more I lean the more complicated its getting.

I figured the scars where from molds that where altered but by who, PBP? and for what purpouse, Tri-logo?

Scott

Well I still think its confusing so you aren't alone

PBP did have their own molds at some stage and passed these on to Ledy before the trilogos came into play in Europe..so they were producing their own product for Spain during ESB era.

The molds went to Ledy at some point during ROTJ production and PBP got figures from the far east instead (correct me if im wrong someone) at some stage the molds were changed over in the factories in Hong kong etc - (so filling a mold would make it blank etc) not sure why they did that but its one of those things thats a tiny and insignificant production change that turns into a missing link for collectors.

The molds + product shipped to Mexico for use in the Ledy factory result in PBP/Ledy variants being sometimes hard to distinguish because of the same molds being used.

BTW- It's not known 100% what was sent from Spain to Mexico, I think its been said that product was shipped to Mexico as a test to see if it would sell (as the language was the same and they didn't have to make brand new cards ) I don't know for sure if the molds were sent..I always presumed that they were because Ledy had the molds for sure - thats why we find test shots etc that were sent through the molds with junk plastic so they must have got them from somewhere.

It also makes sense that production tools from PBP were downsized and used elsewhere as Europe was going to soon get Trilogos (a change General Mills put into place to cut costs) and we already know PBP was officially taken over by GM just before things ended so there were probably already changes happening in the years before Trilogos to ensure money was being saved.

I would love to know the ins and outs of this side of things - I just don't know where to go to find the answers..alot of it is guesswork based on little fact.

Thanks for your replies Joe, very interesting mate and has helped clear things up a bit for me

And to clarify lol - I don't think anyone knows for sure if PBP "had" the molds (i.e they were in Spain) but Ledy definitely did, so when we say PBP gave the molds to Ledy- that means if they had them they shipped them and if they didnt then their supplier shipped them over (wherever that was)

Joe_O wrote:

And to clarify lol - I don't think anyone knows for sure if PBP "had" the molds (i.e they were in Spain) but Ledy definitely did, so when we say PBP gave the molds to Ledy- that means if they had them they shipped them and if they didnt then their supplier shipped them over (wherever that was)

I think one way to know for sure would be to have a list of all known PBP variants, true PBP variants. And to cross reference them with other known variants. That would help us determine whether or not PBP actually produced their own figures in the way that Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan and China did.

Personally, I find it difficult to believe 100% that PBP produced their own figures. I'm not saying that it didn't happen, but it doesn't seem to add up in my head right now for some reason. I would think they more likely packaged figures that were shipped to them from another country. But again, I don't know that for sure either.

That's why I suggested a list of known PBP variants, to try and track down where they were made for sure.

PBP produced their own figures, but in my oppinion...they also got figures from Kenner factories (China,Hong Kong).
That would explain why you can find the LL/PBP Yoda on PBP Cards, but also other Yodas were released on spanish ROTJ cards.
Most of the carded ROTJ Biker Scout on PBP Cards are not the PBP Scouts. Actually I have seen only one carded PBP Scout. All other Scouts are Hong Kong, Taiwan or whatever, but no PBP Scouts.

mike-skywalker wrote:

PBP produced their own figures, but in my oppinion...they also got figures from Kenner factories (China,Hong Kong).
That would explain why you can find the LL/PBP Yoda on PBP Cards, but also other Yodas were released on spanish ROTJ cards.
Most of the carded ROTJ Biker Scout on PBP Cards are not the PBP Scouts. Actually I have seen only one carded PBP Scout. All other Scouts are Hong Kong, Taiwan or whatever, but no PBP Scouts.

I'm sorry Mike, I don't quite understand. How are they PBP scouts then, if they didn't come from PBP cards?

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I honestly don't understand. I'm new to the whole variant thing, so I'm honestly asking that question. How can they be classified as PBP if they didn't come off of PBP cards?

Hi Chris dude
its a simple question.PBP packed differnet biker scouts, most of them were imported directly from Kenner (maybe over stock ??)Hong Kong or Taiwan figures, BUT PBP at its factory ,also made a few Bikers , i think most of those bikers were realized for the COLGATE tooth paste promotion, as far as i know there is only one known carded example.
Hope this help
cheers
J.

Hi Guys

just want a confirmation on this Han figure of mine is he a PBP?
mucho gracias!