I received a mint condition Vader today, but when I picked him up from his box ,low and behold
His is full resin with head and torso together in same
Molding.I am very excited with this new discovery!

Pics buddy!


~Martijn

Pictures have been sent! Maybe you can post them on this thread as I am having a hard time.
Hope you enjoy

Got 'em! Will post those in a moment, no probs.

~Martijn

Patsy if you're having an issue, PM them to me and i'll put them up in your thread (so you can get the glory LOL)

John, you can move those to Patsy's glory post

~Martijn

Congrats on your find patsy. Is this vader previously unknown to all MT collectors?

My trem knowledge is virtually nil, but I certainly haven't heard of a resin Vader. Great find & condition.

Wow, that's a cool find! Could it be a bootleg of a bootleg?

aussiejames wrote:

My trem knowledge is virtually nil, but I certainly haven't heard of a resin Vader. Great find & condition.

Actually this goes for everyone, there is no Trem knowledge apart from the small piece of history told by Joe on theSWCA and the story on Loucouporbonecos.
Nothing is known about how they where produced and what logic is used putting these together.
Just some conclusions (or better speculations) that can be drawn by looking at LOTS of them.

To give an example, the MINORITY of the figures are made completely out of lead. Most of them are resin made, at least the torso's are. The limbs and heads are metal.
In some cases the legs are made of resin too and so once and a while the arms are too. No pattern in this as far as I have seen, pure random.
Did notice the figures made completely out of resin are mostly found among the 2nd series (thus the later figures) Also the MOTU figures are big chunks of resin too.
There is an early batch of SW figures which is made of 100% metal/lead.

Been working on my collection for a while now and starting to document all useless facts about MT Hope to have the time soon to present everyting (to whoever cares) in some kind of website/blog/wordpress/ebook whatever

~Martijn

MartijnEmmelot wrote:

... the MINORITY of the figures are made completely out of lead. Most of them are resin made, at least the torso's are. The limbs and heads are metal.
In some cases the legs are made of resin too and so once and a while the arms are too. No pattern in this as far as I have seen, pure random.
Did notice the figures made completely out of resin are mostly found among the 2nd series (thus the later figures) Also the MOTU figures are big chunks of resin too.
There is an early batch of SW figures which is made of 100% metal/lead.

...

~Martijn

Interesting that you say this. I think I have a couple 1st gen mixed (luke jeid and leia boushh) but the majority of my 1st gen are 100% lead, a couple mixed and then my Gam and Emperor are 100% resin. A much higher percentage of my 2nd gens are mixed.

It's interesting indeed I just checked ALL the SW figures from my basic set and all of them have resin torso's.
They appear to be made of lead due to the weight of the lead arms/legs/heads but in fact it's resin.
A few figures have resin legs and a few resin heads (mainly the ones who are molded to the torso like Chewie, Wicket etc) All have lead/metal arms.
The full resin versions are GG and Emperor. Bib and Klaatu are light weight too because they only have arms made of lead.

I have tested them all by touching each part with my lips ...this sounds more erotic than it really is
The metal parts feel cold and the resin parts don't. It's a fact you can sense temperature differences better with your mouth than with your hands. (wouldn't reccommend licking at your lead parts though...goes for knibbeling and inserting too )

Regarding Patsy's Vaders, here are mine.
The one on the left has the same "molded head to torso" as Patsy's one, head/torso are resin, arms and legs aren't.
The middle one is a special 100% lead version. And lastly 3rd is resin torso/legs, lead head/arms.




~Martijn

MartijnEmmelot wrote:

They appear to be made of lead due to the weight of the lead arms/legs/heads but in fact it's resin.

Wow, I never realized this! Like you said, the lead limbs add so much weight that I just assumed that the torso was lead as well.

Thanks so much for that pic, it's fascinating to see the differences side by side.

MartijnEmmelot wrote:

I have tested them all by touching each part with my lips
~Martijn

quoted cos that made me laugh ( lots )

I'll take a dig thru mine after I sleep (it's 7am here and haven't slept yet),but I do know that most of the early found ones (with lots of playwear) were all metal/lead, as was obvious by the metal showing thru the worn paint. I too know of a few mixed ones in my collection, a metal torso/arms,but resin legged Tusken, and a metal torso/resin limbed Han Hoth stand out in that capacity.
Once a full database of MTs is put together the anomalies will likely outweigh any consistencies that we'd previously believed.


Cheers
J

Joseph_Y wrote:

I'll take a dig thru mine after I sleep

Hey Rip Van Winkle, you wake up yet??

I'm awake..... Just need to play catch up on a bunch of things..... Also.... I got the strangest thing in the mail today. I'll limelight it tonight when I get home from work and can take a pic of it (still haven't joined the modern age and gotten a smartphone...lol)

Cheers
Joe

Just something regarding the resin torso's. There is an auction on eBay now showing clearly a broken resin torso. (arms and legs are metal)



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-MODEL-TREM-Soldado-Rebelde-AVENTURA-NA-GALAXIA-Brazil-/170987342869?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item27cfa3cc15

(it's not really an interesting item, because it is broken and therefore not very valuable and quite a common 2nd series figure so that's why I'm "outing" it, if anybody feels otherwise please LMK and I'll kill the link)

Also from Patsy's sales on RS:

"Bespin guard (slice in torso) 200 NOW 180" and "Ig 88 (loose limbs,cracks near leg joints )225 NOW 205"
IIRC lead doen't crack or break.

Will test the remaining of my figures tomorrow and post a breakdown of used materials.

~Martijn

I only own 2 Trems so this is all very interesting! I do have a vader, I'll have to check it out now.

What on earth could you have received Joe? Is it a rare item from your list of Holy Grails?!

MartijnEmmelot wrote:

To give an example, the MINORITY of the figures are made completely out of lead. ~Martijn

Are you sure Martijn ?

Yes Gam Guard, Emperor etc are full resin. And I believe Joe's (1 legged ?) Tusken he refers to is one I sold him that had a metal / resin mix (limbs resin)

Generally though, I think comfortably the majority of figures are all metal. I'll revisit mine to be sure.

Looking forward to your write up when you have the time.

Joseph_Y wrote:

I'm awake..... Just need to play catch up on a bunch of things..... Also.... I got the strangest thing in the mail today. I'll limelight it tonight when I get home from work and can take a pic of it (still haven't joined the modern age and gotten a smartphone...lol)

Cheers
Joe

Anything to do with THAT post on the other forum ?

Hey Tim,

Welcome to this forum

Yeah I was pretty sure and now I know for certain.
I dare to say "Most Model Trem figures are NOT made of 100% lead or any other metal"

It's kind of shocking to me too but it is the truth.
I spent a lot of time the last few days organising my MT figures and paring them with the right boxes and weapons.

From the 125 figures I count in my collection (including the 2nd series and excluding the MOTU) I found:

3 figures made 100% out of non-metal (resin) : Gammorean Guard (3x), Emperor and Ree-Yees
3 SW figures with resin legs (and torso) but with metal arms (and some metal heads ) : Bib (3x), Han Hoth (1x), Darth Vader (1x) and 5 figures from the 2nd series (7 if you also count the two robots on wheels)

11 figures made out of 100% lead: Princess Leia and Stormtrooper plus the "early" Han Hoth, RC, Snowtrooper, IG-88, Tie-Pilot, Lando, CCP, Darth Vader and Chewie.

All the other figures (so the remaining 97) have a resin torso with metal limbs (where some have resin heads too)

I know if any of you would test 'em like I did, you'd have the same results.
Don't feel with your hands but use your mouth or cheek, serious... with your hands you cannot feel the difference in temperature.
Also look for damage, lead does not crack or chip, resin does. If you have chipped paint you can see either metal color or brownish beneath.

~Martijn

Hey Martijn WOW 125 trems , nice I will check this weekend
And yes I will kiss my trems to see lol.

I never thought I'd say this. ..

"All grown men, please stop kissing your toys"

A public service announcement from TIG

Ah, c'mon, it's just a little lead, it can't hurt too much.