aussiejames wrote:

The question that should be asked is WTF is a POCH Fett???

Some Hong Kong figure that some Spanish kid played with & left in the sun on a hot surface left some imprints on the back & by magic here you go I have a $1000 figure.

Seriously this is getting beyond a joke. Is there any information online in regards to this figure ? People can spend there money on whatever you want but ..............

I agree...and as long as no carded one shows up (....yes...there not even ONE carded known to exist!), nothing can be said for sure....I will spend my money surely more wise

The_Dark_Artist wrote:

That's a beauty Marco : )
Seriously, I have a ton of respect for the variant hunters. I consider myself a novice in training. I also understand how rare some of these figures are. But some of the prices I have seen on some of the POCH/PBP figures lately have been EXTREMELY high. On the other hand I have seen sellers with very modest/respectable prices also (via Lee and Kenneth)... So what gives? BUT when I see a "POCH Fett" for $911, I have to ask if it is a prototype at that price? It's like the Spanish Circus has come to town... There is a lot of clowns running around! They are all sitting in the front row and laughing their asses off at us...

It's not the price I've got a problem with. There are rare variants that have cost more than $900 (removable rocket Fetts, TT Jawa, OH Luke's back in the day, Kenneth's POCH Chewbacca). I just have an issue with Spanish sellers labelling a normal looking figure PBP or POCH without any significant reason other than it came from Spain! Madness! 

Anyone know who the seller is of these so called "POCH" figures!

olisuds wrote:

Anyone know who the seller is of these so called "POCH" figures!

If you click the sellers name you'll notice the 'changed name' icon next to 831

aussiejames wrote:

olisuds wrote:

Anyone know who the seller is of these so called "POCH" figures!

If you click the sellers name you'll notice the 'changed name' icon next to 831

The game-SW!!! Might have known. I notice it's his 5th ID change in 5 years. Not to mention the completely new account. He really doesn't do himself any favours

What's the history behind this seller?

walkie wrote:

What's the history behind this seller?

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t3930-ebay-scammer-thegame-sw

You posted in the thread on him!

He's wanted in 12 Star Systems

Yea, I figured it was him after seeing "From Spain" and "Ultra RARE" after ever figure for sale...

It's not the price I've got a problem with. There are rare variants that have cost more than $900 (removable rocket Fetts, TT Jawa, OH Luke's back in the day, Kenneth's POCH Chewbacca).

Not entirely correct regarding my spare Poch Chewie with black pouch. The text next to Chewie said: "Euro 1.000 or best offer". Oli, You don't seriuously believe, that I got Euro 1.000 for it do you? LOL! Would however have been nice with a 1.000 Euro extra to spend on Christmas presents here in December... I just wanted the best possible price for the Chewie, that's it! Besides that I had much difficulties determibing a price, since it's the first Poch Chewie to be sold in a public sw forum to my knowledge. And the price I'll get in the end, is faaaaaaar from the Euro 1.000 mark to be quite honest... Which is actually a very good thing for vintage variant collecting in my opinion.

Unfortunately you guys out there that are happy to pay these crazy prices for poch figures only makes sellers
put high prices on them. If people are paying the big money then sellers are having the last laugh.

I don't blame the sellers - they can put whatever price they want on these figures but these ridiculous amounts that have
been shelled out in the last 18 months for poch figures really is beyond me

And as for these silly amounts for figures from spain that have a mark on the arse/back/leg and are claimed to be ULTRA RARE POCH
variants with absolutely no back up or proof again is beyond me. I would want to see at least 3 moc examples of the same figure before
i shelled out big bucks on only a 'maybe' figure.

I'm not saying there isn't cool and rare known stuff out there (black pouch chewie for example) and people can pay or sell for whatever they want
but it is a crazy period for variant collecting because of poch figures at the moment and collectors are just getting priced out of the variant
market because of this huge surge in the last couple of years. I am seriously thinking about going back to moc (i could even collect palitoy moc
for less than loose poch in some cases)

Marco, i hope your poch guide continues to grow and get more info and knowledge out there with the help of the big poch collectors (come on you guys
with the multiples of the same spanish/poch bought figures)

rant over

Bravo, i'm a variant collector too and recently my pocket has begun to hurt.

I remember buying a pair of Glasslite C-3PO & R2-D2 figures in 2006 and paying £16 including shipping from Brazil. A C-3PO alone fetches £80-£90 on it's own nowadays on eBAY.

Dare I say what happens when the bubble bursts?

walkie wrote:

Dare I sy, what happens when the bubble bursts?

The seasoned collectors waiting on the side lines will be able to start picking up the figures at sensible prices again.

"The seasoned collectors waiting on the side lines will be able to start picking up the figures at sensible prices again."

Just buy from Kenneth or Lee... They've always been good with their prices

cantina_patron wrote:

walkie wrote:

Dare I sy, what happens when the bubble bursts?

The seasoned collectors waiting on the side lines will be able to start picking up the figures at sensible prices again.

The_Dark_Artist wrote:

Just buy from Kenneth or Lee... They've always been good with their prices

Agreed! We are fortunate to have a number of members selling genuine, quality items at fair prices.

Kenneth_B wrote:

Not entirely correct regarding my spare Poch Chewie with black pouch. The text next to Chewie said: "Euro 1.000 or best offer". Oli, You don't seriuously believe, that I got Euro 1.000 for it do you? LOL! Would however have been nice with a 1.000 Euro extra to spend on Christmas presents here in December... I just wanted the best possible price for the Chewie, that's it! Besides that I had much difficulties determibing a price, since it's the first Poch Chewie to be sold in a public sw forum to my knowledge. And the price I'll get in the end, is faaaaaaar from the Euro 1.000 mark to be quite honest... Which is actually a very good thing for vintage variant collecting in my opinion.

Ahh fair enough mate - great way to say "it's an auction" Although to be honest I might of made you an offer if I'd of known you were willing to take lowball offers

But my point was that there are plenty of things out there for $900. I'm in agreement with Lee. If there are people out there willing to pay the money then its fair enough that sellers will try their luck - hell I would myself within reason. It's just when people label something a POCH or PBP wrongly or without significant proven justification and then charge crazy prices.

POCH emperor

(By the way it's Anakin, so you've made an even greater discovery!)

2 old guys in a grey jumpsuit/robe- easily confused.

The_Dark_Artist wrote:

That's a beauty Marco : )
Seriously, I have a ton of respect for the variant hunters. I consider myself a novice in training. I also understand how rare some of these figures are. But some of the prices I have seen on some of the POCH/PBP figures lately have been EXTREMELY high. On the other hand I have seen sellers with very modest/respectable prices also (via Lee and Kenneth)... So what gives? BUT when I see a "POCH Fett" for $911, I have to ask if it is a prototype at that price? It's like the Spanish Circus has come to town... There is a lot of clowns running around! They are all sitting in the front row and laughing their asses off at us...

One of the must funny posts ever. Besides that you're absolutely right Steve - prices for questionable loose Poch figures are insane at times. But on the other hand I have lots of difficulties selling my spare Poch figures in here and on RS at reasonable prices (in my opinion too), so maybe people have more common sense in here than some idiot buyers on for instance ebay?

Personally I wouldn’t buy a figure which only POCH characteristics are melt marks.

My 'rule': There should at least be a combination of different characteristics which all together make it very likely that a figure is a POCH figure. So apart from melt marks, also check:
- Colour scheme
- Sloppy paint job
- Welding cracks
- Plastic extrusions

Many of the figures currently on ebay do not fit this rule. So though they may be POCH, they are not interesting to me.


BTW: about Anakin. Factory or home made?

Dr Dengar wrote:

Personally I wouldn’t buy a figure which only POCH characteristics are melt marks.

My 'rule': There should at least be a combination of different characteristics which all together make it very likely that a figure is a POCH figure. So apart from melt marks, also check:
- Colour scheme
- Sloppy paint job
- Welding cracks
- Plastic extrusions

Many of the figures currently on ebay do not fit this rule. So though they may be POCH, they are not interesting to me.

That is common sense Marco! I totally agree. I'll however gladly take some chances buying figures from Spain now and then, even if they are not proven to be Poch. As long as the prices are reasonable I feel, that I'm contributing to the Poch "project" by doing so. Sometimes you win by doing so, and sometimes you loose. We cannot expect to find many more carded Poch figures for comparision/classification, so I feel, that it's necessary to purchase a lot of figures from Spain from different sourches in order to get a clearer pic of, what is Poch and what is not. On figures like Ugnaught and Boba Fett we might never see a Poch 37/41 back A carded sample. Maybe none have survived, or maybe there could be one or two in private collections?

Hi, my name is lfantelo, I'm from Madrid, and I am a collector focused on 1) AFA PBP ROTJ MOC; 2) AFA Poch ESB MOC and 3) loose Poch figures. As a howdy, I enclose some pics of my Poch loose collection, all acquired directly from the original owner and with the "poch test" duly passed concerning extrusions, bubbles, freaky wielding, white hands, special features private to some of the pictures...
Close ups attached of:

1.- Poch Fett (check the unpainted middle section of the belt as well as the evident extrusions on left foot and bottom)
2.- Poch grey/green Yoda & unpainted pouch, weird coloured-limbed Chewie (the unpainting is not private to Glasslite)
3.- Some Lukes, chocolate-legged Han, black-necked Lando...

Best and talk soon,

Luis

Hi Luis

Truly exceptional collection! Very jealous of that Yoda Nice!

Thats an impressive first post
I look forward to you sharing your knowledge & helping us unveil some 'secrets' to these POCH figures.
I'm sure we'd all like to see pictures of your MOCs as well.

Kenneth_B wrote:

That is common sense Marco! I totally agree. I'll however gladly take some chances buying figures from Spain now and then, even if they are not proven to be Poch. As long as the prices are reasonable I feel, that I'm contributing to the Poch "project" by doing so. Sometimes you win by doing so, and sometimes you loose. We cannot expect to find many more carded Poch figures for comparision/classification, so I feel, that it's necessary to purchase a lot of figures from Spain from different sourches in order to get a clearer pic of, what is Poch and what is not. On figures like Ugnaught and Boba Fett we might never see a Poch 37/41 back A carded sample. Maybe none have survived, or maybe there could be one or two in private collections?

@ Kenneth: Good amendment to my rule, thx!
The rule is only applied when buying loose figures which are sold as POCH.

The most interesting part about collecting POCH, is buying lots from Spain – while disregarding the rule - and hoping some of the figures might have the POCH characteristics after researching them. One result is no result however. A figure needs to pop up more than once, and ideally in different collections, before we can start to label it as POCH.
As you mentioned, we will have to accept that a definite proof from high res MOC pics, will be a NO GO for most POCH figures. That’s unless these MOCs pop up from private collections and are shared to the community.

I hope this thread will help us by providing a platform to share pics of loose figures and who knows even MOCs.

@ Luis: Welcome aboard. Good timing and a great collection!
Looking forward to see the pics of your loose figures and MOCs in this thread in the future.