I changed the description of the pic below.

Comparison between Ackbar figures with COO #1. Counterclockwise starting at the top: 1 (Kenner), 2 (Ledy), 3 (Ledy), 4 (Ledy Kenner).


The two Ledy Ackbars (#2, #3) have reddish brown pupils, whereas the Kenner figure #4 - which was first regarded a Ledy figure as well - has greyish brown puplis. The pupils and actually this whole figure looks like the one CP posted before.

The Ackbar on Adolfo's MOC, has two reddish brown pupils IMO, maybe they differ a little bit in the exact colour, but both have red pigments.

BTW: StarWizz sent me a pic which clearly shows the red pigment in the Ledy Ackbar's pupil.

Ackbar comparison. From left to right: Lili Ledy, Taiwan, Hong Kong. (Pic made by StarWizz)

cantina_patron wrote:

Hi Wolff, I respect all of the opinions I have received and I am not disputing that my figure is Kenner or that the eye colour is different to a Ledy. I am just responding to the replys that have been given. If I have irritaded you, then you have my apologies!

Hi CP don't worry about that too much. Wolff is our well respected Angry Man.
Only when he doesn't use smileys anymore, you better watch out.
Maybe that is the case after this post. :nailbiting:

Ledy middle & right? bad picture (as always)

Middle: Reddish brown pupil, also a paler red head. Looks Ledy to me. I assume the COO is OK.

Right figure: Difficult to tell. The same pupil colour as the middle one?

Yes it's a bad picture. Middle one came from Mexico (no guarantees) but the right one is from Ozio

So both figures (middle & right) have the red pupils, so both are Ledy.

And in case Ozio was the seller it is a double guarantee you got a Ledy figure.

Ok guys hold the torch until i have explain my case

I looked thru my ackbars today and found this crappy one.
Is he a ledy or did someone removed the black from his eyes to pass him as one?





overall LL crappy-CHECK



LL COO-CHECK



Redish eyes in the same color as the head ,should the eyes been unpainted or more like brown/red?

ok release the mob :pitch fork:

No mob, just me
It looks unpainted/paint removed.

someone has just rubbed the paint out of the eye mate

james beat me to it

If it looks to good to be true.... ...

Hi All,

Just wanted to ascertain something about the LL Luke Jedi. The figure has to have the lighter hair and the black eyebrows, correct?

I ask because I have two that have the correct COO. One (on the right) has black eyes/eyebrows but has more orangey blonde hair. The one on the left is the one I asked about before (who I know isn't Ledy) who has lighter blond hair but brown eyes/eyebrows. I just wanted to check that these are both known Kenner variants. (I know the one on the left is and I don't think either is Ledy, I just wondered if it was known that there is a figure with this COO and black eyes/eyebrows, that doesn't have the blonde hair/isn't Ledy?)

If this is well-known and redundant, my apologies please ignore. (I tried to look for more info on this but couldn't find anything.)

Best Wishes,

-J

Thanks again for all of the assistance with Ackbar.

I think I'm safe with this Bib.

Unfortunately I don't have the chest plate.

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CP: That is a Ledy Bib for sure. The cape is in perfect condition.

Jeremy: The black eyes and eyebrows of the Lili Ledy Luke Jedi are very black not like the brown-black of some of the Kenner figures. I don't know on which cards the two Kenner figures on your pics were released, but I am sure others can help you further with this.

Luke Skywalker Jedi Knight: Lili Ledy on the right.

Dr Dengar wrote:

CP: That is a Ledy Bib for sure. The cape is in perfect condition.

Nice one. Thanks Marco. If it wasn't for the knowledge gained from this thread I would never have spotted it!

cantina_patron wrote:

Hi Marco, The pupils on my figure are a reddish brown, but the colour is not as bright & distinctive as your #2 & #3. It looks more like your #4 which Wolff believes is Kenner. I wandered whether this could possibly be a result of the plastic showing through a thin paint app. Any thoughts?
However, based on the photos, Adolfo believes one pupil on his moc matches my figure (hence why I refered to the yellow of the iris to make a distinction).
It's a shame my figure has no provenance. The person I puchased it from in the 90's used to buy up collections in the UK & send the Yaks to the states in exchange for modern figures & some vintage items not available in the UK e.g. Blue Snags. Therefore I can't be sure where this figure originated from.

If it will help I can try & take some more photos using a flash. Let me know what you think.

If Wolff can produce some photos of his reddish brown eyed Kenner figures, I think that will help. I was under the impression all Kenner figures had a black pupil, hence my original post.

CP

Honestly, I see very little differnce from one of the eyes of my MOC to yours, but is different from the other!!! :scratch: :scratch: of course, both action figures have almost 30 years, anything can happen in those 30 years. Just put an action figure to direct sunlight for a couple of days and you will start noticing minor changes, now we are talking about 30 years!! .... LOL!!!

I post that MOC pic so everybody can compare their Ackbars, I don´t know , but if now we start to measure the diameter of the pupils, probably we can know if it´s ledy for sure!!!

Discobob83 wrote:

Hi All,

Just wanted to ascertain something about the LL Luke Jedi. The figure has to have the lighter hair and the black eyebrows, correct?

I ask because I have two that have the correct COO. One (on the right) has black eyes/eyebrows but has more orangey blonde hair. The one on the left is the one I asked about before (who I know isn't Ledy) who has lighter blond hair but brown eyes/eyebrows. I just wanted to check that these are both known Kenner variants. (I know the one on the left is and I don't think either is Ledy, I just wondered if it was known that there is a figure with this COO and black eyes/eyebrows, that doesn't have the blonde hair/isn't Ledy?)

If this is well-known and redundant, my apologies please ignore. (I tried to look for more info on this but couldn't find anything.)

Best Wishes,

-J

I hope this can help you !!! .... Nothing like comparing it to a MOC ( It´s difficult to take a good pic thru the AFA case!!)
of course Wolff can be right about adjusting the PC screen for the correct colors, IMO about this one.... the eyes and eyebrows are exactly the same, correct color and thickness, but I´m not very sure about the color of the hair....anybody agree with me???





Marco Ledy Jedi Luke has the same hair color, but as you can see the eyes and the eyebrows are black but they are kind of wide!!!
I´m investigating that kind of variations!!!.... that can depend of the kind of back (30 or 50), but that´s another story!!!!
I just noticed that Marco´s Luke has different skin color!!...This is crazy!! :scratch:

Hey Merlin,

Thanks so much for your reply!

So that's a carded Ledy Luke Jedi? (I'm assuming because of the saber hilt?) He has eyes/eyebrows like my one on the right, but hair like my one on the left (lighter, sandy blonde)? This is what it looks like in photos. That is very interesting. So, whether my figure is Ledy or not, there is a Ledy Luke Jedi with thinner black eyebrows as well as the thicker eyebrows variant like Marco has.

What do you think? Is my one definitely a Kenner or is there a possibility that he is Ledy? (Or something else? He actually came from Holland.)

Thanks again,

Jeremy

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I hope this can help you !!! .... Nothing like comparing it to a MOC ( It´s difficult to take a good pic thru the AFA case!!)
of course Wolff can be right about adjusting the PC screen for the correct colors, IMO about this one.... the eyes and eyebrows are exactly the same, correct color and thickness, but I´m not very sure about the color of the hair....anybody agree with me???





Marco Ledy Jedi Luke has the same hair color, but as you can see the eyes and the eyebrows are black but they are kind of wide!!!
I´m investigating that kind of variations!!!.... that can depend of the kind of back (30 or 50), but that´s another story!!!!
I just noticed that Marco´s Luke has different skin color!!...This is crazy!! :scratch:
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Discobob83 wrote:

Hey Merlin,

Thanks so much for your reply!

So that's a carded Ledy Luke Jedi? (I'm assuming because of the saber hilt?) He has eyes/eyebrows like my one on the right, but hair like my one on the left (lighter, sandy blonde)? This is what it looks like in photos. That is very interesting. So, whether my figure is Ledy or not, there is a Ledy Luke Jedi with thinner black eyebrows as well as the thicker eyebrows variant like Marco has.

What do you think? Is my one definitely a Kenner or is there a possibility that he is Ledy? (Or something else? He actually came from Holland.)

Thanks again,

Jeremy

Jeremy , that´s correct!! , that´s my carded Ledy Luke Jedi AFA 80 ( extremly high grade for a carded Ledy).
I post the pics so you can decide if it´s Ledy or not , you are correct about both descriptions, the eyes/eyebrows are like the one on the right, but the hair looks like the one on the left (lighter & sandy blonde), about the hair color , it looks like there is a Ledy Luke Jedi with thinner black eyebrows ( like the carded example!) as well as the thicker eyebrows variant like Marco has.

Honestly, I can´t tell you if it´s a Ledy or not , I´m just stating the facts .
I wish I have another carded example in my hands, the first one is from James Gallo ( AFA 75) and mine ( both have the same color & size of the eyes/eyebrows) and same hair color , I hope I can find a carded example like Marco´s Luke Jedi. ( eyes/eyebrows/eyelashes!)

Hi Jeremy,
Well let's see if i can help a bit;
As Marco already said LL Luke Jedi has black eyes and a very characteristic plastic tone for the head also the paint on the face is glossy, take a good look at Marco's pic:

Do you see how shiny is the paint for the face? Now take a look at your pic:

Matt non glossy paint on the faces, so IMO both of your Lukes are not LL.
Lighting on pictures can affect the apreciation of colors, take a look, these are all LL Luke Jedis and at hand with sun light they all look the same:


So if you're trying to spot a LL Luke Jedi go for the gloosy paint on the face with the black paint for eyes and eyebrows...and of course the correct COO

Good spot, noticing the glossy paint, I will update the Luke Jedi entry accordingly.

Pos feedback is on your way, Ozio.

And one for Adolfo for helping with his MOC pics.

Dr Dengar wrote:

_Rog_ wrote:

Hey Jeremy,
I'd guess your Bib (cape) was from a baggie similar to these:
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t3170p15-help-identifying-a-bag-o-bib-fortuna
'I' owned two of these 'Ledy' Bibs from when I was a kid. I'm pretty certain mine came (baggied) from the "Palitoy/Woolworth" multipacks my Uncle bought my brother and I, along with a similar Logray & Lumat each & a few other figures.
Back 2006ish? Marcus (blutch) & I compared them with his Ledy Bib from Mexico and IIRC they differed slightly. 'My' two Bibs (& your cape) seemed to be neater / better made, and the paint apps. on the figure were a little different (somehow?) – unfortunately I've lost the emails with the details comparing them. Back then we wondered if they were some sort of MIM variant (made specifically for distribution outside Mexico), or perhaps something to do with PBP, or just some weird better quality overstock ?????

Great info, Rog.

I own one of these Bibs still in his baggie. So it might be from the Woolworth multipacks.

I will make some comparison shots with a loose Ledy Bib soon!!

Hi Marco, can you do me a favor and check the staff in your baggie to see if it has the mold circle?

I just made a groups shot of my carded ERG´s , I think it looks cool!!! ..........
In the second pic you can notice the difference between the Ledy weapons!!...I thought they were all very dark grey...LOL!!

C'mon Adolfo, you are just looking for an excuse to show off your impressing line-up of ERG MOCs.

Seriously, do the dark and light grey pikes have the V2 mould with little circles?



Cheers

snaggletooth wrote:

Hi Marco, can you do me a favor and check the staff in your baggie to see if it has the mold circle?

Hi Scott, I have just checked it for you and the baggied Bib came with a Ledy staff having the mould circle.

Figure, cape, and staff all seem to be Ledy.

Dr Dengar wrote:

snaggletooth wrote:

Hi Marco, can you do me a favor and check the staff in your baggie to see if it has the mold circle?

Hi Scott, I have just checked it for you and the baggied Bib came with a Ledy staff having the mould circle.

Figure, cape, and staff all seem to be Ledy.

Thanks Marco.