I had too many beers last night : )

Great contribution Adolfo. Its a privilage to see so many Ledy Yoda MOC's! (+ points awarded)

Hey I'm red now (my last post)... Ok enough from me : )

Got two negs too in my last two posts, someone must have a lot of fun, I just don't think it is funny.

I was just sorry Marco about the reply.

I also do not like all this negative, I am all ready tired of this nagative and positive. Because some is getting nagative without knowing why and we can't see what post the negative is in unless we look at all our posts.

some ++++++ for marco ,

I have checked the Ledy guide & other sources, but I would appretiate some expert opinions on this Ackbar. I have just discovered it while doing some sorting.
Unfortunately I don't have another example with this COO & black pupils to do comparrison photos with. The paint on the lower arms appears to more closely match the Ledy figures than the Kenner ones.
All photos taken in natural light.

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This is a kenner example for 100%! I have by now 4 different eye colors on kenner, also the one shown above!

Thanks to Ozio it seems I finally have a real Ackbar and the eyes should be a bit more reddish!!

Hey CP,

Nice figure!

Ackbar is one of the toughest Ledy figures to identify w/o having it in hands.

Your figure has Ledy traits regarding the brighter yellow stripes on the pants and the rusty claws.

I have doubts about the eyes however, they should be more pale yellow for a Ledy Ackbar.

So my final verdict: Not a Lili Ledy figure. But I hope that other members provide you a second opinion and proove me wrong on this.

Comparison between Ackbar figures with COO #1. Counterclockwise starting at the top: 1 (Kenner), 2 (Ledy), 3 (Ledy), 4 (Ledy).


Comparison between Ackbar figures with COO #1. Counterclockwise starting at the top: 1 (Kenner), 2 (Ledy), 3 (Ledy), 4 (Ledy).

OK, Wolff scooped me.

So you already got your second opinion.

You can also see the brownish red puplis in the pics above.

BTW: don't trust the Ackbar which is shown on the German website. It is not a Ledy figure!!

Thanks very much Wolff & Marco for the quick resposes. (+ points on their way)
I purchased this figure in the mid 90's (in the days before I'd ever heard of Ledy!). It was certainly not sold as anything 'special'.
As a new Ledy collector it was the eye colour that caught my attention. The sources I have checked make reference to Kenner figures having a solid black pupil. I wasn't sure whether mine has a thin paint app. giving the illusion of a reddish pupil, or if it was an intensional paint app.

Wolff, have the Kenner figures you have with this eye colour also got the dark, rusty red hands? The pictures I have seen of Kenner figures all appear to have brighter red ones.
When Ackbar comes up on the FOTW thread it would be great to see photos of the Kenner eye variants.

Hey Marco...I dont think your #4 is Ledy....though!!

Will work on a picture too....hopefully soon!

wbobafett wrote:

Hey Marco...I dont think your #4 is Ledy....though!!

Thanks Wolff for discussing this figure, actually I am not 100% sure about this figure as well.

Though the claws, pant stripes and the yellow of the eyes look Ledy to me, the colour of the pupil is not redisch brown like the others (#2, #3). Due to 'natural' Ledy variation, I thought. but indeed it might be a Kenner figure as well.

What are your thoughts about #4?

BTW: #4 is the same figure as Ackbar D in my first thread.

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t1313-ll-ackbar-among-these

This figure is the toughest we all know by now. IMO just forget about anything...important is just the redish pupils and the color of the head. All other differences can be found on Kenner (yellow of the eyes, stripes, arm paint,etc) and is not helping at all IMO.

Time for un update of Ackbar's entry.

Now there is written:

DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Ackbar has:
- Brighter yellow eyes, matt in appearance, the pupils are brownish red in stead of black.
- Rusty red instead of red claws
- A more glossy head
- Brighter yellow stripes down the pants

Proposal for new version:

DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Ackbar has:
- Brownish red in stead of black pupils
- A paler red and more glossy head
- Brighter yellow eyes *
- Rusty red instead of red claws *
- Brighter yellow stripes down the pants *

*) Also Kenner figures can have these traits.


What are your thoughts?

I'm gald my question has generated some new discussion / ideas.

yes sounds good to me marco

then at least people can check all 5 points to make a whole ledy

cantina_patron wrote:

I'm gald my question has generated some new discussion / ideas.

At the end of the day we only learn from these type of discussions, and I am happy you initiated one, CP.

I think is easier with a MOC example.......


But here is the funny part.... one eye is redder than the other one!!! .... is not a light effect or anything like that , you can see it in this pic.....


This one is redder

This one is a little more pale


Like this one........

Very interesting...
So, comparing the photos side by side the most significant difference between my loose Kenner figure & the moc Ledy is the yellow of the eyes (as previously pointed out by Marco).

It would appear that an already tough to identify Ledy figure has become tougher!

A brownish red pupil seems to be the major distinction between Ledy and Kenner.

CP: What colour pupils has your Ackbar?


BTW: I updated Ackbar's entry with the outcome of this discussion.

Admiral Ackbar

Hi Marco, The pupils on my figure are a reddish brown, but the colour is not as bright & distinctive as your #2 & #3. It looks more like your #4 which Wolff believes is Kenner. I wandered whether this could possibly be a result of the plastic showing through a thin paint app. Any thoughts?
However, based on the photos, Adolfo believes one pupil on his moc matches my figure (hence why I refered to the yellow of the iris to make a distinction).
It's a shame my figure has no provenance. The person I puchased it from in the 90's used to buy up collections in the UK & send the Yaks to the states in exchange for modern figures & some vintage items not available in the UK e.g. Blue Snags. Therefore I can't be sure where this figure originated from.

If it will help I can try & take some more photos using a flash. Let me know what you think.

If Wolff can produce some photos of his reddish brown eyed Kenner figures, I think that will help. I was under the impression all Kenner figures had a black pupil, hence my original post.

CP

I give up...discussing with colorblind people really doesnt make sense

Seriously.....the Moc from Adolfo has absolute different eye color then yours. There is huge difference between greybrownish and reddish brown. Describing sucks I know but if you really think this is a match then you all should ajust your PC screen!

Hi Wolff, I respect all of the opinions I have received and I am not disputing that my figure is Kenner or that the eye colour is different to a Ledy. I am just responding to the replys that have been given. If I have irritaded you, then you have my apologies!

Hi Cantina_patron, I still think it is a cool figure you have there, sorry I can't help you. I do not have any Lili Ledy ackbar yet.

I still hope somebody can help you after somebody have given up discussing with you