Ozio,
Great research and info and update's
looking forward to what is coming soon

OZIO wrote:

Hi Guys, there are some 'unknown' LL variations I want to share with you

Coming soon,

LL HK COO Yoda:

LL Blond Luke Bespin:

LL 1978 R2D2:

LL HK Darth Vader:

LL Brown Eyes Teebo

LL HK COO Han Bespin, V1 and V2:

LL 3 line Coo C3PO:

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Hey Starwizz, I'm glad you liked it

Rog, nice info on the LL Bib, and you're right the LL HK Light brown Leia Bespin is present on Henrik's list, wow! Ok now they are just variations the 'unknown' is gone

LL HK Yoda added:
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t2135p720-lili-ledy-discussion-thread-links-to-all-figures-can-be-found-on-first-page-of-this-thread#61732

_Rog_ wrote:

.....but isn’t she a 'known' variant? Henrik & Steve York did a pretty good job describing her back in 2005!



Rog

Didnt knew that :scratch: . I once saw a pic back in 2006 I think in a FS thread and since then searched her assuming it could be LL ESB release. I finally found one about 3 years ago??

Funny thing was Ozio had this one and sold it to me not knowing what it might be........therefore I told him and he really found a few more. Since Ozio was able to dig these out in mexico to me its prooven this is a LL variant!! The ESB release cannot be prooven.....its a shame no crads survived

OZIO wrote:

Hi Guys, there are some 'unknown' LL variations I want to share with you

Coming soon,

LL HK COO Yoda:

LL Blond Luke Bespin:

LL 1978 R2D2:

LL HK Darth Vader:

LL Brown Eyes Teebo

LL HK COO Han Bespin, V1 and V2:

LL 3 line Coo C3PO:

Check, check, chek....and check.......thank god....nothing new to me! I need a pause from hunting LL.....

I just want 2 or 3 month thinking I am complete with all LL variants....just ONE time...please!! Since almost 10 years I collect LL always knewing Im not complete.......

Please Ozio, please......only 2 month???

LOL

OZIO wrote:

. A big thanks to Wolff for his help on this research

Thank you buddy. I have to mainly thnak you! Your the guy that noticed differences and could in the end find them in "higher" numbers, so that we can at least prrof their existence!

The only thing I could do is telling you what to look for and telling you if its really special or might exist elswhere...

So thank you for doing the hard work......I only sat infront of the PC and said thumbs up or down......you had to go out and spot and find these

wbobafett wrote:

OZIO wrote:

Hi Guys, there are some 'unknown' LL variations I want to share with you

Coming soon,
LL HK COO Yoda:
LL Blond Luke Bespin:
LL 1978 R2D2:
LL HK Darth Vader:
LL Brown Eyes Teebo
LL HK COO Han Bespin, V1 and V2:
LL 3 line Coo C3PO:

Check, check, chek....and check.......thank god....nothing new to me! I need a pause from hunting LL.....
I just want 2 or 3 month thinking I am complete with all LL variants....just ONE time...please!! Since almost 10 years I collect LL always knewing Im not complete.......
Please Ozio, please......only 2 month???
LOL

no problem buddy, no new LL variations on the next 2 months... years? LOL

Hi Ozio, thanks for the Yoda link

I found this snake in a bag from a collection that I bought last year.

Is this a lili ledy snake ?

From this thread: http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t1312p30-need-some-help-with-ll-yoda

Dr Dengar wrote:

I think it is important to summarize what we have got sofar to keep us on track.

Note: From the pics it is hard to judge wheter a dent between the 'eye brows' is present or absent. So correct me if i am wrong here, and I will edit this post.

EDIT:
- added Jay's pic which is planned to be used for the Lili Ledy guide
- added numbers for each pic to make discussion easier in the following posts, I hope more pics will follow, especially macro pics from MOCs
- added Alfonso's close up pic from a LL Yoda MOC

1) Brownish orange snake, circle on top, no dent (Jay's pic from a loose LL Yoda)


2) Brownish orange snake, circle on top, no dent (Wolff's pic from a loose LL Yoda)



3) Brownish orange snake, no circle on top (edit:) but circle at bottom, dent (Chris' pic from a cut card LL Yoda, the most reliable source sofar, I mean from a research point of view!! . (edit:) and now we also have Alfonso's pic no. 13 from a LL Yoda MOC )



4) Brownish orange snake, no circle on top, no dent (Jason's snake #1 from a AFA graded loose LL Yoda)



5) Brownish orange snake, no circle on top, no dent (Jason's snake #2 from a AFA graded loose LL Yoda)



6) Brownish orange snake, no circle on top, no dent (Jason's snake #3 from a loose LL Yoda)



7) Brownish orange snake, no circle on top, no dent (Jason's snake #4 from a loose LL Yoda)



8 ) Brownish orange snake, circle on top, dent (Jason's snake #5 from a loose LL Yoda)



9) Greenish orange snake, circle on top, dent (Jason's snake #7 from a loose LL Yoda)



10 ) Brownish orange snake, no circle on top (edit:) but circle at bottom, dent (my own Snake A from a loose LL Yoda)



11) Brownish orange snake, circle on top, no dent (my own Snake B from a loose LL Yoda)



12) Greenish orange snake, circle on top, no dent (my own Snake C from a loose LL Yoda)


13) Brownish orange snake, circle on top?, dent? (Alfonso's snake from a LL Yoda MOC). ALFONSO: you maybe have a pic which is less exposed?



At first appearance both the dented and non-dented snakes seem to have a LL origin.

It's about time for more macro pics from LL Yoda MOCs or cut cards. But who owns these?

OVERVIEW TABLE (will be updated once a while)

Snakes: Lili Ledy Yes or NO

1
2
3 YES (from cut off card)
4
5
6
7
8
9 NO (greenish snake)
10
11
12 NO (greenish snake)
13 YES (from MOC)

pomse2001 wrote:

I found this snake in a bag from a collection that I bought last year.

Is this a lili ledy snake ?

The Ledy snake is brownish orange, and lacks a ''dent' between the eyes. So IMO your snake is not Ledy.

Hope that helps you further, Lars.

sorry

Dr Dengar wrote:

pomse2001 wrote:

I found this snake in a bag from a collection that I bought last year.

Is this a lili ledy snake ?

The Ledy snake is brownish orange, and lacks a ''dent' between the eyes. So IMO your snake is not Ledy.

Hope that helps you further, Lars.

Thanks Marco, it helped. Then I just have to try find out what figure the snake is to

I hope this pics help





Probably this is the best pic, But the bubble is a little scuffy in that particular area!!

merlin wrote:

I hope this pics help





Probably this is the best pic, But the bubble is a little scuffy in that particular area!!

Thanks mate, it is hard for me to see. But is the circle on the top or on the bottom of the head ?

I don't understand why people give you negative vote for those pictures :scratch: I will give you positive

Lars,

I don' t know who gave Adolfo a neg or why.

I aldo don't know why you are using QUOTE instead of REPLY per default to react on each post.

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merlin wrote:

Thanks mate, it is hard for me to see. But is the circle on the top or on the bottom of the head ?

I don't understand why people give you negative vote for those pictures :scratch: I will give you positive

I will try to take a better pic today! , but my camara is not helping very much!!!

DAMN, I didn´t know that somebody can put a negative vote while trying to help to decide if it is a LL snake or not based in one of the few LL MOC available for this figure

Dr Dengar wrote:

Lars,

I don' t know who gave Adolfo a neg or why.

I aldo don't know why you are using QUOTE instead of REPLY per default to react on each post.

or probably somebody that thought it´s a re- sealed MOC!!!!

Thanks for the positive vote!!! ..

Adolfo, Merlin, that was me. I'm super sorry, I didn't know what I clicked on and it turned red. MY BAD : ( I didn't mean to leave you a negative mark. I give you a positive mark : ) Again, I'm sorry!!!!!
-Steve

Again, I'm really sorry : ( I truely didn't know what I was clicking on : (

+ for Steve, for being honest.

I think you have to pay Adolfo's beers next time when we meet at some convention.

in the LL thread, dude!!

I didn't know what those things were? (positive or nagative votes) Now I do. I clicked on it because I was unsure of what it was, then it turned red. Obviously I clicked on the negative end. I'm a goof and again, sorry Adolfo. Nice snake : )
Just my opinion, but the negative, positive vote thing is a bit strange to me. I think someone could go out of their way to be a jerk to someone else.
Sorry, not the place to discuss this. Back to the LL discussion : ) Again, soryy Adolfo.....

here are 2 great pics!!!! ..... I don´t have a photo editor right now ,as my computer is brand new, but if somebody wants the raw pics, let me know!!! ..

I will also try to get some pics from 2 other persons that have the LL MOC yoda, the interesting thing will be that this one is from a 14 Back , and my friends are 30 and 50, so we can check the color of the snake.

As you remember, we haven´t found yet a Lando Clarissian Bespin with blue gun, only black and grey , but I´m still looking for more Lando MOC´s, so probably we can find something about the yoda´s.

stevefdwyer wrote:

I didn't know what those things were? (positive or nagative votes) Now I do. I clicked on it because I was unsure of what it was, then it turned red. Obviously I clicked on the negative end. I'm a goof and again, sorry Adolfo. Nice snake : )
Just my opinion, but the negative, positive vote thing is a bit strange to me. I think someone could go out of their way to be a jerk to someone else.
Sorry, not the place to discuss this. Back to the LL discussion : ) Again, soryy Adolfo.....

.... No biggie my friend!!!! ................ thanks for your honesty , but I know that at some point it was going to be pay back time for you against me!!! .........LOL!!! .......JK!!!!!

I hope those pics help a little more, I think that now you can see clearly the snake

I´m afraid now to move those LL MOC´s , as you can see in the pics the bubble is starting to lift ( very common in the Ledy MOCS)

Here we are into something......
Probably is the light , probably my imagination, all pics are NOT very good pics at all ( 3rd pic from the sw archives) , the 14 Back seems to have a lighter serpent than both 30 back´s.

The color of the print is different as the early cards used very bright yellow and the 30´s and 50´s are like orange-yellow. ( already confirm by the onwer of the first YODA)

only a theory and I need to do some research about it... we can say that the early YODAS ( 12 and 14) used a lighter serpent than the later ones (30 and 50), of course is hard to tell as early back Yodas are like finding a carded DT Vader!








Added 23/02/2012

Hey someone gave me a neg!!

I wonder whether he has the balls to reveal himself like Steve did.

Maybe it is Steve himself still trying to figure out how to give us + feedback.
j

Thanks for the Yoda pics, Adolfo.

Dr Dengar wrote:

Hey someone gave me a neg!!

I wonder whether he has the balls to reveal himself like Steve did.

Maybe it is Steve himself still trying to figure out how to give us + feedback.
j

Thanks for the Yoda pics, Adolfo.

Marco , All the last posts have neg votes !!! ....
I guess somebody is having fun!!!