This squidhead was directly from a Made in Mexico MOC, (damaged of course) according to the COO reference guide it matches
the Ledy squidhead perfectly, right down to the LL marking on the inside of the belt (thanks James!)

Here are the pictures:





I think Jay went to some considerable research in the past to show that most if not all MIM figures on Kenner cards are almost
exactly the same as true Ledy carded figures.

A question to the Ledy collectors - Is MIM close enough for you ? You may have a few MIM figures in your Ledy collection but if they are the same is there much point in worrying?

that has been the debate for a while now?imo it is a ledy variant,it was made in mexico and has ledy features.yes true ledy's come of the real lili ledy card and are best,but can't count out the mim's their something too.man ledy's are addictive.Dan.

I know many people are going to chime in who are more Ledy knowledgable but I thought for it to be "true" Lili Ledy all the accessories needed to be Ledy. The MIM were mostly Kenner accessories with the occasional LL stuff.

To make a comparison that I hope doesnt get skewered, it's equal to having my UZAY Vader with kenner saber.

True John, in my eyes its not a true Ledy and the weapon situation will of course in many cases turn out to be standard Kenner issue, I bet good money on many Ledy collectors having incomplete MIM figures in their collections though.

Also there are lot's of people who will happily buy figures without weapons, how many Ledy sale threads do we see with incomplete figures that sell like hot cakes? Many might be weaponless MIM figures, how do you know? lol

Take one MIM figure, lose the weapon (cough cough) and its now an incomplete Ledy. I think its a close call, probably up to the individual as to how they view MIM vs True Ledy's and if they would be comfortable knowing they had MIM's in a Ledy set (does it matter or is it a big deal to some?)

I've always taken it that the MIM figures were in fact Ledy since they did come from Mexico. It is true though in many cases that they were carded with Kenner weapons. Tom N actually chimed in on the subject in this thread

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Hi all,
I was asked to comment on this thread if I could contribute. I'll admit to having no focus on LL product, and limited knowledge on it myself. But I can comment on the point above.

As many of you know, I was Marketing Research Director and worked in the corporate office in Cincinnati from 1982-92. We had a plant on Robertson Avenue in the Oakley subdivision, about 8 miles from the downtown office.

By the early 80s, about the only real production that still took place in Oakley was the manufacturing of Play-Doh compound. However, a lot of re-packing, particularly of action figures also took place there. While some figures were fully produced and packed out into case assortments at their off-shore factories, Kenner also used the Oakley location for overflow pack-out when needed. Figures were sometimes shipped in bulk cases (a box of nothing but 100 uncarded figures in unsealed plastic bags) from factories in Hong Kong or mexico to Oakley. Lines would then be set up to put the figures and bubbles on cards, then create the assorted pack-outs to ship to retailers.

So, it is possible that figures and weapons were mixed in this re-packing process. I can assure you, no one at Kenner at the time was aware of that of the difference, or that it would be considered a variation by collectors in later years. Parts were parts.

Tom N

Basing off of that it makes me wonder if any standard Kenner figures were carded with Ledy weapons.

Hmm?? :scratch:

shawn_k wrote:

Basing off of that it makes me wonder if any standard Kenner figures were carded with Ledy weapons.

Now that would be cool lol, definitely possible I guess if figures were being packaged and mixed!

Joe,
The MIM squid has much neater paint than the true ledy, also the head colour is very slightly different.
That being said when i had my burgundy LL squid i swopped the figure for a better condition MIM squid.

The gun that comes with the MIM squid is darker than the kenner one, it is the same as the burgundy LL squid i had so to me i did not see any difference. I have a carded MIM squid and the weapon is identical to the ledy one i had.

I think the belt is the same too. The skirt on the MIM squids however is a different shade to true ledy's.
The true ledy skirt is a more creamy darker colour.

Here's a pic of my old one. The figure was a nicer condition MIM squid, but the cape/skirt were real ledy.
you can see the colour difference in the skirt, its quite different when you have them side by side.

Phase3 where are you? I have 2 X LFL83 no COO with different coloured heads. I didn't know about the skirt differences. More research to do

A few different 'greys'. The bottom V5 version with the bigger trigger guard is in my MOC MIM & Tsukuda Squids & Kea Moll. But the gunnery guide has V1 as Ledy :scratch:

so is this a Ledy weapon or not??

Ledy VS MIM . Actually I have collected MIM carded figures, sold em and recollected them a few times. IMO most of the weapons on the carded MIM I have seen have been true ledy. There are many bikers, gams and squids to choose from so you may see variations in those weapons.

The ledy figure paint variation is crazy. I have seen Dull VS Shiny on both MIM and True Ledy. Like Del pointed out the head is different on the squid but I have also seen true ledy with the MIM looking head. True, the skirt on a true ledy is a coffee color but is that just age or dirt ? A cut card true ledy squid sold a while back, did anyone notice the skirt? Biker scouts molds are all over the board . Very confusing indeed. I do have the full collection of MIM if anyone would like some pics.

I have to say that I am a believer in MIM .

Jason

sacko wrote:

Ledy VS MIM . Actually I have collected MIM carded figures, sold em and recollected them a few times. IMO most of the weapons on the carded MIM I have seen have been true ledy.

The ledy figure paint variation is crazy. I have seen Dull VS Shiny on both MIM and True Ledy. Like Del pointed out the head is different on the squid but I have also see true ledy with the MIM looking head. Biker scouts molds are all over the board . Very confusing indeed. I do have the full collection of MIM if anyone would like some pics.

I have to say that I am a believer in MIM .

Jason

Those pictures would be awesome for this thread Jason!

I have and own a number of MIM MOC from my experience many of the figures are exact to there Lily Ledy Counter Part. Sometimes the figures are packed on MIM with Kenner weapons but its 50/50 as many times they are packaged with the LL weapon as well.

The key factor for me is the MIM figures were made in the Lili Ledy factory i really dont think they had super tight quality controls there.

Im gonna try and dig up some old topics and add the links info here

Jay

I dug up some of my MIMs (as many as I could find) and started comparing. Here is the grouping



Out of the 3 Squids, at least 1 is kenner . But it does appear to be 3 variations of grey



The 2 Chirpa's weapons were both Ledy



The Ree Yees (Will look into later )



Lando had a ledy weapon



Of the 2 Klaatus, 1 had ledy the other was not



The biker appears to be ledy (Will check closer later)



The paploo is a ledy weapon



Gam guard and Vader look ledy



Yoda is all ledy accessories



And I took some shots of Lumat next to a cut card true ledy lumat. Shots are not super close but wanted to put him out.



Nien Numb seems to have the little L but it is very hard to tell. I can see it but I can't get it to show up in pics. Looks ledy to me.



I am missing logray but I will try to add close ups and especially any requests. I can also add my loose ledys or AFA graded for comparison.

Hope these help and maybe we will uncover the lost symbol

Jason

"Out of the 3 Squids, at least 1 is kenner . But it does appear to be 3 variations of grey" OK so the V5 version of this gun (larger trigger guard) is Ledy, so we might need to update TIG which shows a V1 as Ledy I can confirm of the 3 MOC MIM Gam guards I have, they all have the shorter axe. Also none have the hole in the back of the card.

Bumping this up to try and re-address the LL Squid gun. It looks like it IS mold V5 not V1 ???

It looks like V1 AND V5 versions are LL weapons in light & dark grey.


thanks for the pictures

it's difficult to tell what mold they are from those pic's if the gun's were facing the other way i could see what scope feature's they have.Without out that i can't put a hard line description on them.

Dan.

one of the gun's is definitley light grey and the other one is dark grey for sure,they even have different trigger hole opening's.

so why doesnt nobody ever talk about the ewoks line , that came out i have a wicket moc , that' is mim does this mean that that one is also ledy

jimmymindtricks wrote:

so why doesnt nobody ever talk about the ewoks line , that came out i have a wicket moc , that' is mim does this mean that that one is also ledy

MIM wicket??? Chirpa, logray, paploo and lumat yes but I have not seen a wicket.

Jimmy i don't think they made an MIM Wicket?

Show us what you got, take a pic.

Here is a pic of the MIM carded fig's.

I knew a LL Lando Calrissian came with a Grey Bespin Blaster,Everyone told me he came with a Blue Bespin.

So Ledy Lando Calrissian came with a Grey or Blue ledy Bepin Blaster.

I have two burgandy caped LL Squid Heads and I just bought a MIM Squid cut card. Is it possible to exchange the figures to get a perfect example? Can a Squid's head be taken off without breaking it? Is the MIM figure itself exactly the same as a Ledy figure? Both my Ledy examples have some red dye rubbed on the figure from over the years which is kind of sort of sign of a real one also.

I've been wondering some of the same things. Is there a difference in the plastic of their heads?
I think even with boiling water you still run the risk of a brocken neck.

vintageSWfan wrote:

I knew a LL Lando Calrissian came with a Grey Bespin Blaster,Everyone told me he came with a Blue Bespin.

So Ledy Lando Calrissian came with a Grey or Blue ledy Bepin Blaster.

Hello Dan

Both weapons are correct Ledy Lando came with blue and grey weapon

Cristian