Just been looking at graded R2 pop-ups on tri and found 2 (and theres more) graded ones, one AFA80 and one AFA85 BUT both with sub grades C85 B80 F85. How the hell does that work?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Tri-Logo-R2-D2-with-Pop-Up-Lightsaber-AFA-85-/400105077161?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d281ef9a9

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Tri-Logo-R2-D2-Pop-Up-Lightsaber-AFA-80-/400105077157?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d281ef9a5

Here are the reports for both. Both graded at the same time.

Serial Number: 10007483
Date Graded: Apr 24, 2007
Grade 85
Blister: 80
Figure: 85
Card: 85
Year: 1983
Company: PALITOY
Series: STAR WARS
Title: TRI-LOGO
Name: R2-D2 POP-UP SABER
Variation:

Serial Number: 12246190
Date Graded: Apr 24, 2007
Grade 80
Blister: 80
Figure: 85
Card: 85
Year: 1983
Company: PALITOY
Series: STAR WARS
Title: TRI-LOGO
Name: R2-D2 POP-UP SABER
Variation:

With the difference being $200 I know which one I would choose (Not that I would pay that much for one lol)

To be honest, from the pictures, you can't see much of a difference and I doubt apart from some microscopic edge wear you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them, they both look pretty clean to me. As to why they gave one an 80 and one an 85, you're guess is as good as mine, I guess they can't push out too many 85's otherwise it devalues the other one

What about buying one ungraded and getting it graded Ham? Probably save you an extra $150 if you did.

Thanks Joe, yeah getting one ungraded BUT makes me shit myself kinda thing knowing that I have a minty one and they're gonna give it the same sub-grades and pot luck if it gets an 80 or 85, big difference if you ask me! :scratch:

Have you bought one yet Ham?

A pop-up R2 Tri? Er.. yeah... why?

Just decided to sell mine that all lol.

You get one from toni?

:pale: yeah, how much were you getting rid of yours for and what condition?

Mine was off toni too mate.

Did you go for one @ £125?

They're really nice mate. Mine is extremely mint. I've seen about 5 from Toni and mine has the nicest bubble of the lot.
But i was spending quite a bit with him at the time so he may of been a bit more picky or i just got lucky lol.

I'd want a bit more than i paid tbh as its that nice. One in c8 condition sold on scum the other day for 200 euros, so toni has his priced ok imo. I may even get him graded then sell.

Btw, once you get a moc off toni you will be hooked lol.
His stuff is just stupidly mint.

(You may already know this if you've bought from him before )

Thanks Del, I'll post pics when the lil fella comes. he's suppose to be in C9+ condition so what would you think that to be grade wise?

I'd say mine would get an AFA 85 mate.
None of his will be below an 80 tho. The cards are mint, the figures are mint it just depends on the bubbles.
Im yet to see one with a badly dinged bubble tho. Toni's grading is pretty spot on.

All the one i have seen graded from toni have been 80's (with 85/80/85 subs) or straight 85's

Most my MOC's from Toytoni are C9.5+ and some are C9.5 i.e AFA 85 / AFA90 standard and for a fraction of the cost of trying to buy graded examples!!

I can get 3 C9.9 MOC's off Toytoni for less than price 1 AFA 85 MOC would cost! I just dont get why people throw so much money on AFA 85's? I have seen AFA 85's command 100gbp - 200gbp more than the same fig/card Graded at AFA 80 and 6 - 7 times more than what an ungraded example would cost in the same condition as the AFA 85!

If anyone wants support buying MOC's to ensure they are paying the RIGHT prices and are buying quality then as always i'd be happy to help and provide advice in fact im sure all the experienced lads would help out.

There is no reason to spend hundreds and hundreds on a common MOC because its an AFA 85 if its good condition you like theres lots of options out there when buying ungraded!

Thanks guys and thanks Jay. I'm planning on buying Minty MOC and getting them graded myself from now on as ya know I like the AFAing of them... just dont like the price!

Btw Del does Toni pack well, like in star cases not as in loaded gun, lol? He's quite a shy guy when it comes to answering questions!

Bullet proof mate.
Tris are normally sent in star cases. Sometimes he'l charge about £2 for them other times he doesn't.

For some reason tho he uses shredded paper when he packs tri logos and its a real bitch to get off the star cases. With the ESB etc he uses packing peanuts, and you need to ask about star cases otherwise they come wrapped in a bag (sounds shit but it works well)

He always double boxes, its always wine boxes so he may have a drink problem

lol, maybe thats why he doesn't answer my questions... he's drunk and forgotten them!

I asked about a star case but no reply.

Thanks Del

Just to add Toni is a member of the TIG Forum so it maybe worth trying to send him a PM his username is TOYTONI.

If you dont get a reply in a few days ill try and contact him as theres a good few people i know on here interested in picking up some MOC's from him.

Cheers Jay

tigerham wrote:

I asked about a star case but no reply.

IMO Star cases for shipping are BAD NEWS. Unless the star case is filled with packing peanuts/beans they can cause damage, just like shipping graded MOCs - there is nothing to protect the bubble (box gets dropped, figure busts through bubble ) Of course there are ways around this ie LOTS of padding around it & double boxing- just food for thought.

aussiejames wrote:

tigerham wrote:

I asked about a star case but no reply.

IMO Star cases for shipping are BAD NEWS. Unless the star case is filled with packing peanuts/beans they can cause damage, just like shipping graded MOCs - there is nothing to protect the bubble (box gets dropped, figure busts through bubble ) Of course there are ways around this ie LOTS of padding around it & double boxing- just food for thought.

I agree 100% AJ in fact when Toytoni sends MOC's with out using a Starcase his packing job is spot on you just to take your time and be careful when upacking it

Cheers Jay

My R2 arrived this morning safe n sound, really chuffed. The cardback no doubt is at least a 90 but as usual the bubble is anything between an 80-85. But sweet piece none the less.