Deber May (Deborah May Ockerse) and her husband Erwin

Just to make sure this info is not missed on the boards....
Here is a linkt to the RS watch out thread.

http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1110839/

Is it too soon to bring this out?.....

Deber May (Deborah May Ockerse) and her husband Erwin Hangmans-noose

Sad day for collecting

Reminds me a bit of Rob Gratson. The guy's house burnt down- 'lost' the kids Christmas presents & his dogs. The community pitched in with gifts & things & he turned out to be horrible to deal with.

Not looking good

While we have many shitheads in our collecting game I am glad I know the people on TIG. I am certain that those I deal with here are above this type of behavior, WAY above it.

It is so sad that this appears to be a huge scam but it is heartening that so many people tried to help what seemed like a good cause.

Between these dickheads, fakes, reproductions and Ebay I doubt I will trade unless its from TIG.

I hope some sort of charges can be brought against such people

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That's bad news. I know some members of TIG donated as did RS and SWF. Keep your heads high as the intention was admirable. We have to learn from this and tighten up ready for next time.

Deber's eventual 'thank you' note is now so hollow there's a family of owls living inside it.

Deber wrote:: Hello everyone,

Before I express just how thankful I am for everything you have done for me, I owe each and every one of you a sincere apology for my behavior. I am well aware of the fact that this post is overdue and for that, I am truly, incredibly sorry. Please, understand that this is not because I am unappreciative or unsatisfied with the package I received from you, but the opposite. The support I received from all of you was big, but the package, that was immense. I honestly just didn’t know how to respond to such generosity; generosity of a degree I had never experienced before. Feeling greatly overwhelmed, I didn’t, and still don’t, know how to approach this and the longer I waited to post, the more difficult it became. I sincerely apologize for my behavior, I really should not have waited this long, I am ashamed to say the least. If anyone would like their items returned or a financial compensation, please contact me, I completely understand.

Now I want to take a moment to thank all of you, each and every one of you that contributed to the package, thank you! Opening the package was definitely an enjoyable, but also an emotional experience. It was not until now that I really held figures themselves, because I had been building a collection of Moc items. Being on the receiving end of such generosity and selflessness is just indescribable. Because of what happened, I no longer put Star Wars items on display at home, with the exception of the small display I made for the items I received (pics will follow soon, need to get the right cable to get them on the comp). I will admit, the enjoyment of putting together a display again, rotating items so the complement each other, was insane. Despite what has happened, this gives me that boost to build a collection again. Though I’d focus on baggies and lose figures. Your actions have proven that kindness is still out there.

I want to thank everyone from the bottom on my heart!

Frank, Dennis and Matt, thank you guys for everything, and I mean everything not just the package.

Deb

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Artoo_Detour wrote:: That's bad news. I know some members of TIG donated as did RS and SWF. Keep your heads high as the intention was admirable. We have to learn from this and tighten up ready for next time.

What makes this really really sad is not the loss of the money...even if it went to such a prick...what makes me angry is that I will think twice before taking part in sth like that next time....shame on you Erwin !!! I hope we never met in person!

I'm one the few on the forums who didn't donate. The main reason being I was skint myself around the time, but still felt guilty at not giving something.

If this does turn out to be a trick in any way, it is one of the lowest and saddest I've ever heard of.

One of the most convincing pieces of evidence is the claimed death scam of was appears to be the same person on the dutch toy collectors thread.

At a quick glance it seems it's not the 1st time a fake tragedy has happened.

Overall though we know very little facts to prove either way.

Nice you quoted that paul, you made me read that thank you message again, now i wonder if this offer still stands Rolling Eyes

Deber wrote:: ...... If anyone would like their items returned or a financial compensation, please contact me, I completely understand.....

Man, I donated even though I didn't know her, but since many of my friends were, I figured why not.

For whatever reason I cannot read that forum regarding his death (says my IP is banned???? haha)
Can someone quote that here?

cheers!
Very Happy

Stargeezer wrote:

Nice you quoted that paul, you made me read that thank you message again, now i wonder if this offer still stands Rolling Eyes

Deber wrote:: ...... If anyone would like their items returned or a financial compensation, please contact me, I completely understand.....

That may also show some guilt setting in at how far it went.

Remember the donations were not Deber's idea, but no idea why you would claim that you'd been falsely robbed unless you wanted to benefit from the sympathy.

Dutch Forum quotes using google translate so may not be 100% accurate.

"Person from whom the collection was Edwin hot to me. He lived in The Hague. His wife does the whole mess away because of his death.
And after the advice of the members here, it will definitely be more cost than any bid, I think. "

"Holy mother of God!! What a wonderful pieces that have Erwin!! Well Tragically he died at such a young age. (If it's true then)
, but for the ones who do not trust, there is still probably find something on it as if it actually Erwin died?? But this strength to his family and friends"

"I have a battle gaea box and styro purchased in July-August Erwin for 97 euros. Suddenly he did not answer me emails and I got nothing. Since he had received negative comments from many forum members though I thought he had been ripping me ... now it appears that he is deceased, so I think the package ready for shipping will be there I guess "

"What I thought someone should such a collection should just be active on the forums, or otherwise have connections in the community.
AFA, The Hague, Erwin (Ockerse), it can not do otherwise. I find this very tragic."

Section 8 wrote:: Remember the donations were not Deber's idea, but no idea why you would claim that you'd been falsely robbed unless you wanted to benefit from the sympathy.

From what I've read it seems likely, the 'theft' of the moc's was an insurance scam and the gift package from the forums was an unexpected bonus.

I contributed to Deber's cause also, just finished reading the whole thing on RS, a very sad day for the collecting community indeed

I for one am glad I never had a dealing with this scum I now very rarely purchase from other on line places unless I know the person Ie James, Chris John etc from Ebay mainly members from here that I have gotten to know I will get only items that I had good relations with from ebay as well for other items or I will deal locally. It is sad that a few dicks will ruin the reputations of others on selling forums as people think before buying from them even if they have good reputations on those sites.

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well...have fun! A great gesture draged into the mud:

Deber May (Deborah May Ockerse) and her husband Erwin 2_nrmo10

+ £275 cash!!!

Just that people know what we are talking here about!

The more unbelievable that you try to cheat on the VC Jawa....upon all this...insurance money, gifts etc....

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frunkstar wrote:: I have just posted this up on SWFUK & am copying it here so you guys are in the picture about what's what -

Well in a way I can give a sigh of relief as I Dennis & Matt, have had this on our backs for a long time, the not knowing 100% & hoping we were not all taken for a ride, I think we all had the right intentions & just wanted to help a fellow member out in there time of need.

Someone on the thread about her collection said it would be a nice gesture if a little something was sent to make her feel better & know we were behind a member down on there luck, I had time on my hands at the time & figured it was my turn to put some effort back in to this great forum that has given so much to me over the years.

I put a stupid amount of effort in to making this one not to forget & not only posted about the collection here but also on TIG & RS to get the best response possible & both Matt & Dennis put a hell of a lot of effort in to this as well & we 3 coordinated the collection getting to her/him in one go & as has been said even a personalised plaque was done by my good lady as a little reminded, maybe I should have just got her to do a huge sigh saying fool & put it in front of the pc screen.

As Dennis has already pointed out the communications from Deborah/it went from bad to worse to non existent & we sent her a very to the point email stating that she owed the members at very least a thank you post & some photos, the thank you post came up as well as a couple of rather odd & disjointed emails, the photos (as we suspected) never turned up & we (the 3 of us) got to the point of having put so much effort in that we had to walk away from the situation before it drove us all crazy & put us out of the hobby, we suspected that if we let sleeping dogs lay then at some point it would all come out in the wash & thankfully it now looks like it is doing.

May I also add that as well as the donations of toys & cash there is a member on RS who works for a well know computer manufacturer, who very kindly offered to donate a laptop (a bloody nice one may I add) that we also had sent to her so she could get back to normality & come back on line & post some thanks - what a joke, we all feel like fools over this I can tell you & we all feel terribly about asking members to donate not that things have turned out the way they have, it will not stop me being who I am & will not change my giving & caring nature, but I will be on high alert from now on & be a hell of a lot more cautious in whom I help.

Some background -

I spoke via pm with what we thought to be Deborah a couple of time about baggie multi-packs prior to all this & gave advice on them.

She was buying several from a guy I know & there was one I was interested in, she realised I wanted it & kindly (so I thought at the time/but may also have been a scam in some way) said she would step aside & I could have the pack, I declined as the deal was done & I would not like to deprive someone of something they want & had already done a deal for - this was in my mind when I offered to put my best foot forward & do the coordinating of the donations.

I also knew from contact with Steve @ UKG that she was know for sending items in for grading & did indeed have a nice collection of high end items, so figured it was safe to do the donation thing.

I am truly sorry for the members who donated cash & toys (& there time & good will) to this effort & hope that it will not sour them from making the hobby an enjoyable one for us all.

Now the hard part - I am still sitting on the remainder of the funds from the collection that were to be forwarded on to her as & when the photos & thank you thread were posted, both myself Dennis & Matt agreed it would be best for it to be sent on afterwards as a second wind shocker surprise to really put the icing on the cake, the thank you thread eventually happened after some push & shove but it seemed hollow & the photo update never happened, so out of the funds we decided to send on the postage cost from the states of the laptop to the guy who sent it at his own expense so he was covered & I have been trying to find a nice MOC to do as a give-away for the members who donated as a little thank you & to give something back - well it will no longer be a surprise but it will still end up with at least one of the detonators being out of pocket & maybe even someone getting something out of this & actually appreciating it, so some good will come from this mess (I hope).

I plan to (when I have the item in hand) put all the names (numbers for the order they donated in) in to a random number generator & give the item to the lucky winner, its taken some time to find an item of the quality I was hoping to get for the money & I am having it graded before being sent & all postage costs will be covered, just a **** that its come out like this rather than it happening spontaneously.

We were at a bit of a loss as what was best to do with the remaining amount as we did not want it sent to Deborah till the never forthcoming photos appeared & were then in a quandary as what was the best thing to do with the funds - donate to a charity, try to divide up evenly & send back to the detonators (would have been a pittance divided between almost 50 members) so we thought this was the best way forward, I know it won't please everyone in question, but I hope it will please most.

Final thought - bored & disappointed

EDIT - this is what was also sent on as well as the toys -

Full thread can be found here - Star Wars Forum - Vintage Star Wars Collecting Forum - StarWarsForum.co.uk • View topic - Deber May - Anyone seen this??

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....now where is the lynching mob???

I got the rope Smile

I was just about to post this here to, thanks for posting it up, sad ain't it!

Yeah, this definitely sucks and is a shitty situation. Evil or Very Mad

I wonder if s/he mounted that plaque up on the way and had added the word "Suckers" under it. Fucker.
Now I don't feel as bad that the Leia B I sent along had a tiny rip in the armpit. Twisted Evil

Anyway............. sucks and hopefully s/he gets burned for insurance fraud at some point.

Has anyone checked with UKG and cancelled that £50 voucher?

I feel bad enough for all the people that were generous enough to donate to the cause but I really feel bad for Frank , Dennis and Matt

They put so much time and effort into trying to do a good thing and were really shit on Evil or Very Mad

Deber May (Deborah May Ockerse) and her husband Erwin Douche10

walkie wrote:: Has anyone checked with UKG and cancelled that £50 voucher?

yeah I did weeks ago & informed Steve to come check these threads

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Deber May (Deborah May Ockerse) and her husband Erwin

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