aussiejames wrote:

pomse2001 wrote:

So if I have a kenner card of a figure that is made in mexico then it is a lili ledy figure ?

yes, but the accessories may be Kenner

But there is only Lili Ledy Accessories for Lumat and Paploo ?

No Kenner accessories ?

ok guys ledy yoda question for you thought we could get our heads together on this one
i have 2 ledy yodas the first one is a pic of my yoda the green paint is not as tacky as the 2nd one so it is not stuck to the cape the 2nd pic is of a yoda with very tacky paint it is stuck to the cape and the hands and feet feel like they are still allmost wett allso the head on the 2nd pic is more shiney and the robe is more white or cleaner
what i am trying to say is , is there some ledy yodas wi0th wetter paint than others or is it that carded ledy yodas paint wetter than mim yodas and what about the shiney head AS F0R THE R0BE THE DARKER ONE COULD BE MIM
any thoughts guys cheers jase

pomse2001 wrote:

aussiejames wrote:

pomse2001 wrote:

So if I have a kenner card of a figure that is made in mexico then it is a lili ledy figure ?

yes, but the accessories may be Kenner

But there is only Lili Ledy Accessories for Lumat and Paploo ?

No Kenner accessories ?

yes, I did mean the other figures. (Ree Yees, Lando .....)

aussiejames wrote:

pomse2001 wrote:

aussiejames wrote:

pomse2001 wrote:

So if I have a kenner card of a figure that is made in mexico then it is a lili ledy figure ?

yes, but the accessories may be Kenner

But there is only Lili Ledy Accessories for Lumat and Paploo ?

No Kenner accessories ?

yes, I did mean the other figures. (Ree Yees, Lando .....)

Thanks again for the help


Nice pictures Jason, sorry I am still new about Lili Ledy, I don't know anything about Yoda, But I like the pictures

Dr Dengar wrote:

Ola Javi,

muchas gracias por sus elogios, y bueno verte escribiendo aquí.

Do you have a PBP Ben Kenobi in your collection by any chance?. I was just wondering whether the traits indicated below are common for PBP/Ledy.

• Extended index finger
  
• Thicker sole
  
• Extended left foot

Other members are also very much welcomed to check their PBP-Ledy Bens off course and post the outcome here.

Marco .... I took several pics.... IMO.. all those Obi wans are different from each other... none of them look alike IT¨S INSANE! LOL!
1st pic.... against a POTF ... extremely different heads, hands and feet!


Let´s make that closer ....


2nd pic.... against a MOC SW ESB & POTF ... didn put ROTJ´s as there are tons of variations!


3rd pic against 4 loose Obi wan´s.....IMO.. all look different!!!!!! ...LOL!!..


Hope this pics help, let me know if you need more!!!

Hi Adolfo,

Many thanks for saving me a trip to the attic.

Some great Ben MOCs you got there!

For me it is difficult to see any small differences from the pcitures. Could you have a check pls and tell us whether there are any Bens having:

• extended index finger
  
• extended left foot (easy to see from the bottom)
  
• thicker foot soles

Cheers
Marco

just received a vader i bought and its LL.
i checked the saber and it has a letter M on the right side of the hilt.
is that common on LL figs to have a letterd saber?
its hard to notice the letter but its there,dont know if i would be aible to take a pic my camera is not that good.

Hi again guys found those 2 Royal Guards, could one of them be a Lili Ledy ?

There is a little difference in stamp and the color on the legs.

DLT9 wrote:

just received a vader i bought and its LL.
i checked the saber and it has a letter M on the right side of the hilt.
is that common on LL figs to have a letterd saber?
its hard to notice the letter but its there,dont know if i would be aible to take a pic my camera is not that good.

Hi Bjorn,

I checked my Ledy Darth Vader sabers.
3 have no letter on the hilt, 1 saber has a "A".

I am curious what letters the others have on their Ledy sabers.

Hi Lars,

Differences to look for (see the TIG guide):

• The LL ERG has a darker red helmet.
  
• The LL ERG has a matt black instead of glossy black visor.
  
• The limbs and body are casted in a darker red (more purple like) plastic.
  
• The LL ERG wears a darker red cloak made from a different fabric.
  

The first three differences are subtle and therefore it is difficult to draw a sound conclusion based upon pics only.



But there is hope. The fourth point is a distinctive and easily traceable trait IMO. At the inner side of the Kenner cloak you can clearly see the ribbon ("stripes") like pattern in the fabric, whereas these ribbons are lacking in the Ledy cloak.

I see ribbons at the inner sides of both cloaks in your pics, so my conclusion: both Kenner.

jason11272stacey wrote:

what i am trying to say is , is there some ledy yodas wi0th wetter paint than others or is it that carded ledy yodas paint wetter than mim yodas and what about the shiney head AS F0R THE R0BE THE DARKER ONE COULD BE MIM
any thoughts guys cheers jase

Interesting question Jason!

I would like to think that there is no difference in the green paint's tackiness of Ledy Yodas whether orginating from Ledy or MIM cards. I suppose they are all tacky. But I have no proof for that.
Who has a pic of a carded MIM Yoda? Do you see proof for sticky paint there?

Dr Dengar wrote:

DLT9 wrote:

just received a vader i bought and its LL.
i checked the saber and it has a letter M on the right side of the hilt.
is that common on LL figs to have a letterd saber?
its hard to notice the letter but its there,dont know if i would be aible to take a pic my camera is not that good.

Hi Bjorn,

I checked my Ledy Darth Vader sabers.
3 have no letter on the hilt, 1 saber has a "A".

I am curious what letters the others have on their Ledy sabers.

yeah me too!
was hoping DB would jump in too with his insight on this.

anyway he's off to UKG to get graded my first submission :nailbiting:

Dr Dengar wrote:

I see ribbons at the inner sides of both cloaks in your pics, so my conclusion: both Kenner.

Thanks then I don't think it is a Lili Ledy. But thanks again for the help.

COO guide for Biker Scout: No. 7 is unique for Lili Ledy


NOTE:

• The Ledy Biker Scout has an unique COO (no. 7). In the pics below a comparison is made with a "Made in Taiwan" Kenner figure (COO no. 1).
  

Biker Scout: Lili Ledy on the right


Biker Scout: Lili Ledy on the right


Biker Scout: Lili Ledy on the right


Biker Scout: Lili Ledy on the right


Biker Scout: Lili Ledy on the right



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner ("Made in Taiwan") counterpart, the Ledy Biker Scout has:

- different sculpt details:

• mouth (short instead of long mouth)
  
• chest (absence of dent)
  
• belt (different "V'-shaped buckle)
  
• belly (different wrinkles/mould lines)
  
• elbow
  
• back
  

- a hard more detailed torso
- an unique COO (COO no. 7)
- in addition the Ledy Biker Scout can have small numbers on the right and left heels, probably used to distinguish the different moulds for Quality Control purposes during production. Numbers 1,2,3,4,6,7,8 have been confirmed.  (kudos to Lars for discovering )






ACCESSORIES
The Ledy Biker Scout came with a dark grey blaster which has a different mould compared to a Kenner blaster. Mostly there is a little "A", "B", or "D" on the grip.



LEDY VARIATIONS
There are not less than 3 variants of the Ledy Biker Scout. These differ in the pattern of the belly wrinkles and the appearance of the "V'-shaped buckle. Thx Dan and James for providing pics of your variants!





More pics here, even of a fourth version V4, discovered by Ozio:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.3704573008819.162498.1110304487&type=3&l=f2393f07d0

I love the pictures for the biker scout

Again, very nice Job Marco
I love your posts, very well done and usefull.
Thanks
J

COO guide for Logray: No. 3 is unique for Lili Ledy


NOTE:

• The Ledy Logray has an unique COO (no. 3). In the pics below a comparison is made with a Kenner Logray having COO no. 1.
  

Logray: Lili Ledy on the right


Logray: Lili Ledy on the right


Logray: Lili Ledy on the right


Logray: Lili Ledy on the right


Logray: Lili Ledy on the right


Logray: Lili Ledy on the right



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner (“H.K.”) counterpart, the Ledy Logray has:
- darker stripes (keep in mind however that some Kenner figures –e.g. the Macau version -  can also have darker stripes)
- tacky paint (often leaving paint residues on the belt of the pouche)
- an unique COO (COO no. 4).


ACCESSORIES
The Ledy Logray carries a black rubbery:

• hood with a ‘175080’ mark on the inside
  
• pouche with a “LL” mark on the inside
  
• staff with a “LL” mark.
  

LEDY VARIATIONS
The fur of the Ledy Logray can be painted in slightly different brown colours.

Lili Ledy Logray: Different colour variants.


Lili Ledy Logray: Different colour variants.

DLT9 wrote:

Dr Dengar wrote:

DLT9 wrote:

just received a vader i bought and its LL.
i checked the saber and it has a letter M on the right side of the hilt.
is that common on LL figs to have a letterd saber?
its hard to notice the letter but its there,dont know if i would be aible to take a pic my camera is not that good.

Hi Bjorn,

I checked my Ledy Darth Vader sabers.
3 have no letter on the hilt, 1 saber has a "A".

I am curious what letters the others have on their Ledy sabers.

yeah me too!
was hoping DB would jump in too with his insight on this.

anyway he's off to UKG to get graded my first submission :nailbiting:

I have 3 different MIM Vaders MOC, and I cannot see a letter on any of their hilts. So, unless they have a letter on the left side of the hilt which I can't see, I'm assuming none of them have lettered sabers.

That's super cool, though. I didn't know the thicker LL sabers had letters. I was always under the impression that the letters were only on the earliest DT and regular Kenner sabers.

Now I have new variants to look for!

Thanks Tad for checking your Ledy sabers!

I hope more members do a quick check and chime in.

Question: What is the connection between between Lili Ledy and PBP?
Answer: ?


Sofar I haven't been able to get a clear answer. So I thought about sharing my current view which is based upon the gathered knowledge from others and my own ideas. I hope you would like to share your own views/ideas/comments to get some good discussion and in the end hopefully a clear answer.

What is clear is that some Ledy and PBP figures are virtually indistinguishable. The used moulds as well as the paint applications are the same. This is for instance the case for Ben Kenobi, Yoda (dark green version), C-3PO (non removable limbs with screw at the back). Maybe other figures as well?

How to explain these resemblances?

• It might be that these figures were exported from Spain to Mexico. It seems unlikely because of Mexican's protectionist trading laws at that moment (we are talking the pre NAFTA era), stating that toys for the Mexican market had to be produced in Mexico. A good thing actually, otherwise we would never ended up with those nice Lili Ledy variants.
  
• So maybe the other way around, i.e. export of figures from Mexico to Spain? Ledy first started to produce the 3 3/4” figures in 1983, or even one year earlier if we believe Alejandro Becerra, Ledy Quality Control Director, claiming that Lili Ledy produced all 10 figures for their ‘test market’ ESB 10-backs themselves in 1982. In case of export from Mexico to Spain it would mean that the dark green Yoda was released by PBP not earlier than 1983. Same for the C-3PO with screw at the back, which – oddly - was released by PBP on a removable limbs C-3PO card. True or false?
  
• Maybe there was no export of figures at all, neither from or to Mexico. Maybe the resemblance of some Ledy and PBP figures can be explained assuming both factories were using the same moulds. But if this was the case, you still would expect to see some clear paint differences, and we don't. Remember that most Ledy figures have clear paint differences compared to figures produced in other factories.

Any idea?

To make things more confusing, here is another interesting figure: The blonde hair Ledy Luke Bespin. This figure was released on Ledy's ESB 10-back but also on the early ROTJ 12-back. The brown hair Ledy Luke was released on later ROTJ cards.

Ledy Luke Bespins: Brown hair with Ledy COO (no. 8 ) and blonde hair with PBP COO (no. 4).









Though being released on Ledy cards, the blonde hair Luke has a PBP COO (COO no. 4) and even came with PBP accessories.

So what is he:

• a PBP figure which was exported to Mexico to be released on the Ledy ESB 10-back and early ROTJ 12-backs?
  
• a Ledy figure?

Dr Dengar wrote:

TIE Fighter Pilot: Kenner (left), PBP (middle), Lili Ledy (right)


TIE Fighter Pilot: Kenner (left), PBP (middle), Lili Ledy (right)




DIFFERENCES:

• The Lili Ledy TIE Fighter pilot has an unique COO according to the guide (no. 6 in the COO guide shown above). However the extent of the scar varies, meaning different letters may still be visible. In the pictures above a PBP TIE Fighter pliot (thx Javi!) was included cause he has a similar COO (no. 5).
  
• Compared to his Kenner brother, the LL TIE Fighter Pilot has:
  - glossy instead of matt black paint
  - reddish instead of orange buttons on the armour
  - bold face Imperial emblems on helmet and shoulders. The emblems on the shoulders are oriented differently (similar as is the case for the Ledy AT-ST driver)
  
  

Hi Marco, I have two variants of this fig mate, I haven't got a PBP but I've included a MIHK in the pics.

Ledy Bespin Luke with number 7 COO
there is a Luke with number 8 that is NOT Ledy

Marco, on your luke bespin question. Isn't it possible that at that time Ledy and PBP had the same sort of relationship with the far east factories as PBP had with Meccano and Palitoy with regards to there walrus man variants? Like the china/h.k factories producing luke just for release on PBP/Ledy cards.

Hi Scott,

A nice couple of Ledy TIE Fighter pilot you got there!

The "Made in HongKong" on the right leg is partially removed in the Ledy Pilots. The extent of the scar varies, meaning different parts of "Made in Hongkong" may still be visible in different figures. And that is exactly what you see in your pics.

snaggletooth wrote:

Marco, on your luke bespin question. Isn't it possible that at that time Ledy and PBP had the same sort of relationship with the far east factories as PBP had with Meccano and Palitoy with regards to there walrus man variants? Like the china/h.k factories producing luke just for release on PBP/Ledy cards.

Good suggestion. So accordingly a third factory might have produced the blonde Luke Bespin figure for PBP and Lili Ledy. This would mean a violation of Mexican trade laws at that moment, but still it is a possibility. Thanks for your idea!

Hi James,

Thanks for sharing these pics.

Is the non Ledy Luke Bespin with COO no.8, the one which was packed in China baggies?

Do you have any ideas about the PBP/Ledy connection?