Guys just to update we will be re hitting the lili ledy guy after new years day with at least 3 - 4 figures going on the guide in Jan 2011 alone

Also Marco has kindly offered to help with the guide as well

Just to add these types of threads are incredibly important in terms of collating and discussing info as they are the research platforms we utilised as each figure is researched for the guide

Here are some other great TIG Ledy discussion threads on the forum as well –

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/vintage-star-wars-chat-f1/lili-ledy-merged-topics-t869.htm?highlight=ledy
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/vintage-star-wars-chat-f1/lily-ledy-admiral-ackbar-t741.htm?highlight=ledy
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/vintage-star-wars-chat-f1/lili-ledy-rebel-commander-t844.htm?highlight=ledy
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/vintage-star-wars-chat-f1/lili-ledy-factory-t319.htm?highlight=ledy
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/vintage-star-wars-chat-f1/ledy-photos-t1295.htm?highlight=ledy
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/vintage-star-wars-chat-f1/fake-or-realledy-burgundy-cape-t1248.htm?highlight=ledy
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/vintage-star-wars-chat-f1/mim-squidhead-ledy-characteristics-t756.htm?highlight=ledy
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/vintage-star-wars-chat-f1/need-help-on-nikto-lili-ledy-t1878.htm?highlight=ledy
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/vintage-star-wars-chat-f1/ledy-rem-limbs-c-3po-t977.htm?highlight=ledy
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/tig-developers-forum-f11/lili-ledy-wicket-post-everything-here-t1345.htm?highlight=ledy
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/vintage-star-wars-chat-f1/interesting-lili-ledy-royal-guard-t2040.htm?highlight=ledy
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/watch-out-section-f7/lili-ledy-jawas-t936.htm?highlight=ledy
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/vintage-star-wars-chat-f1/interesting-lili-ledy-royal-guard-t2040.htm?highlight=ledy

COO guide for Klaatu Skiff Guard


NOTE: COO #1 and #2 differ only in very subtle ways with respect to the exact position of the symbols in “ L.F.L. 1983”. To be honest the differences are that subtle, I don’t even see them . Wolff? Anyway, clearly these COOs belong to the same COO family and do not indicate any mould differences.
IMPORTANT: The Lili Ledy Klaatu Skiff Guard appears with COO #2 (and COO #1), which were both used by Kenner as well.

COO #2 (≈ COO #1)

Klaatu Skiff Guard: Kenner COO #1 (left), Lili Ledy COO #2 black hood (middle), Lili Ledy COO #2 unpainted hood (right).


Klaatu Skiff Guard: Kenner COO #1 (left), Lili Ledy COO #2 black hood (middle), Lili Ledy COO #2 unpainted hood (right).


Klaatu Skiff Guard: Kenner COO #1 (left), Lili Ledy COO #2 black hood (middle), Lili Ledy COO #2 unpainted hood (right).


Klaatu Skiff Guard: Kenner COO #1 (left), Lili Ledy COO #2 black hood (middle), Lili Ledy COO #2 unpainted hood (right).


Klaatu Skiff Guard: Kenner COO #1 (left), Lili Ledy COO #2 (right).


DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Klaatu Skiff Guard has:
- A lighter brown collar plate, belt, and pouch
- Lighter brown boots (though they can also be darker, see further below)
- A less tanned helmet
- A darker green skin on face and hands


PAINT VARIATIONS:

Major Variations:
The LL Klaatu Skiff Guard has two major variations, with either a black or unpainted ("white") hood. The Kenner version has a brown hood (see the pics above).

Small Variations:
The black hood Klaatu has been confirmed with lighter brown boots (see pics above) and darker brown boots (see pic below)  


AFA graded Lili Ledy Klaatus: Unpainted (“white”) hood with light brown boots (left), Black hood with dark brown boots (right).
Pic made by Hutthunter.



ACCESSORIES

VIBROBLADE:
The LL Klaatu Skiff Guard carries a darker grey vibroblade which is made from a different mould compared to its Kenner counterpart. The Ledy vibroblade has a thicker blade and top compared to Kenner.
In addition the Ledy vibroblade can have a small "A" or "B", but also appears w/o any letter.

COO guide for Prune Face


NOTE: COO #1 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner.

COO #1

Prune Face COO #1: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (middle), Lili Ledy (right).


Prune Face COO #1: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (middle), Lili Ledy (right).


Prune Face COO #1: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (middle), Lili Ledy (right).


Prune Face COO #1: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Prune Face has:
- A darker more pinkish skin on face and hands.
- A darker orange eye
- Darker green pants (when comparing to other Kenner figures which don’t have discolored pants like the one in the picture above ).
- Darker green boots and belt

PAINT VARIATIONS:

Small Variations:
The small paint differences between the Prune Face figures which can be seen in the picture below are due to small batch to batch variations in the Prune Face line:
- Orientation of the eye: Can differ among figures, compare the middle to the right figure (similar like observed for Kenner’s Hammerhead).
- Eye patch:  Can be matt or glossy, compare the middle figure (matt patch) to the right figure (glossy patch). This is typical for Ledy. The appearance of matt and glossy black paint is also observed for other LL figures like Biker Scout (arms, legs) General Madine (boots), AT-ST driver (belt, boots), Leia Endor (boots).

Prune Face COO #1: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (middle), Lili Ledy (right).


ACCESSORIES

RIFLE:
Prune Face came with a Western style V1 mould rifle. The mould is not unique for Ledy as it was also used by Kenner. The main difference is the colour of the used plastic: reddish brown (Lili Ledy) vs brown (Kenner).





REMARK: In TIG’s reference guide the V3 mould (see below) has been uniquely linked to Lili Ledy. This is wrong IMO, and should be updated.
EDIT: Confirmed by OZIO.

V3 mould rifle. Having mould circles on the opposite site compared to the V1 mould.
Source: http://www.imperialgunnery.com/theriflessection.htm


CLOAK:
The Ledy Prune Face carries a cloak which is made from a thicker felt like fabric compared to Kenner’s. Therefore the Ledy cloak does not bend as easily as the Kenner cape does
There are two cloak variants differing in colour and cross hatch pattern of the used fabric (see pic below).

Prune Face cloaks: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy variant 1 (middle), Lili Ledy variant 2 (right).

COO guide for Rebel Commander


NOTE: COO #4 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner.

COO #4

Rebel Commander COO#4: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Rebel Commander COO#4: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Rebel Commander COO#4: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Rebel Commander COO#4: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Rebel Commander has
- a less pinkish paint on the face
- a reddish brown instead of brown paint used for the moustache, eyes, and eye brows
- darker brown boots (but the boots can also be lighter brown, see further below!)
- a grey brown instead of a brown scar
- a depressed state of mind as he feels quite lonely at Echo Base without his Hoth friends (Rebel Soldier, Leia, Han, Luke) which were never released by Lili Ledy.

PAINT VARIATIONS:

Small Variations:
The Ledy Rebel Commander came with two types of boot colours: dark and light brown. Pictures will be added in due time.


ACCESSORIES


BOWCASTER:
The Ledy Rebel Commander came with a V2 mould bowcaster. This mould was also used by Kenner. The Ledy bowcaster is cast in very black plastic which is distinct from the matt blue/black plastic that Kenner used.

aussiejames wrote:

I'm never sure with the Rebel Commander (LL on left ?)

James, I would say your rebel Commander on the left is LL. He has the grey scarf, the reddish brown moustache, and the darker boots.

LL in the middle- notice the brown hair is longer & pale face

2 LLs in the middle. The key is the pale plastic faces? Maybe slightly glossier brown paint?

COO guide for Leia Boushh


NOTE: COO #2 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner.
COO #2 differs from COO #1 in having a large instead of a small “©” in “© L F L 83”

Leia Boushh COO#2: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (middle + right).


Leia Boushh COO#2: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (middle + right).


Leia Boushh COO#2: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (middle + right).


Leia Boushh COO#2: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (middle + right).


Leia Boushh COO#2: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (middle + right).


NOTE: There are two different sculpts for Boushh figures with a Hong Kong COO, as you can see here.
- Figures having COO #1 (with a small “©” in “© L F L 83”) have sculpt 1 (two 'dots' on the buckle).
- Figures having COO #2 (with a large “©” in “© L F L 83”) have sculpt 2 (only one 'dot' on the buckle). All Ledy figures have COO #2 and therefore sculpt 2.

Source: http://www.highasakoit.co.uk/starwars/leiaboushh.php  


Source: http://www.highasakoit.co.uk/starwars/leiaboushh.php


DIFFERENCES:
Compared to her Kenner counterpart, the Lili Ledy Leia Boushh has
- darker more glossy brown pants, torso, and arms.
- darker brown hair, eyes, and eye brows.
- a face which is sculpted in a glossy slightly tanned plastic instead of pinkish plastic.  

PAINT VARIATIONS:

Small Variations:
Small variations occur with respect to:
- the darkness of the brown paint used for the pants, torso, and arms: dark brown (figures 3,4 in the pics below) and very dark brown (figure 5).
- the details of the eyes and eye brows.

Leia Boushh COO#2: From left to right: 1 (Kenner), 2 (Ledy), 3 (Ledy), 4 (Ledy).
The Kenner figure was included to visualize the colour differences of the brown pants, torso, and arms. Light brown (1), dark brown (2+3), very dark brown (4).


Lili Ledy Boushh figures. From left to right we see figures 2,3, and 4 from the pic above.



ACCESSORIES

RIFLE:
The Ledy Boushh came with rifle which is made from the same mould as one of its Kenner counterparts. The only difference is that the plastic of the Ledy rifle seems to be matt.



HELMET:
The Ledy Boushh helmet has the same mould as Kenner's Hong Kong helmet. The Ledy helmet is cast in a bit duller orange plastic compared to the Kenner helmets. In addition the grey paint on top is a bit more silver like.
The Ledy helmets have little letters inside. ´F´, ´G´ or ´H´ have been confirmed for Ledy sofar. Remember, also Kenner Hong Kong helmets have letters inside ('B', 'C', 'F', ...), so this is not a distinctive Ledy trait!! It just means - as stated before - that the same steel moulds were used to produce these helmets.




The Lili Ledy Boushh helmet also appears unpainted. This is a rare overstock helmet.

Ledy Boushh with unpainted Ledy overstock helmet


Ledy Boushh with unpainted Ledy overstock helmet






REMARK: The unpainted helmet is Ledy overstock. It has the same colour as the Ledy production helmet (which differs from the colour of the Kenner helmet). Moreover there are no signs of paint stripping. The surface of the helmet is very smooth and glossy.
If you like you can read more about unpainted Boushh helmets in this thread.

SOME BACKGROUND ON HELMETS IN GENERAL:
Some general background about the differences between Hong Kong and Taiwan type moulds of the Boushh helmet. Both helmets in the pics below are Kenner.

Marco your right figure looks good to me.
I think the key is the plastic the head is molded in (less pink)

LL in the middle

Ok that's cool!

I edited the last bullet in the comments: tanned instead of pinkish face.

COO guide for Emperor´s Royal Guard


NOTE: COO #5 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner.

Emperor´s Royal Guard COO #5: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Emperor´s Royal Guard COO #5: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Emperor´s Royal Guard COO #5: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Emperor´s Royal Guard COO #5: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Emperor´s Royal Guard COO #5: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Emperor´s Royal Guard COO #5: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Emperor´s Royal Guard has:
- a darker red helmet.
- a matt black instead of glossy black visor.
- limbs and body which are cast in a darker red (a bit purple like) plastic.
- a darker red cloak made from a different fabric. At the inner side of the Kenner cloak you can clearly see the ribbon ("stripes") like pattern in the fabric, whereas these ribbons are lacking in the Ledy cloak.

NOTE: It might well be that the Ledy visors can also be glossy black. The appearance of matt and glossy black paint is also observed for other LL figures like Biker Scout (arms, legs) General Madine (boots), AT-ST driver (belt, boots), Leia Endor (boots).

VARIATIONS:

There is an interesting variant of the LL ERG cloak having the arm slit at the opposite side (left instead of right). See the pics below.

Lili Ledy ERG cloak variants having the arm slit at different positions.


Only if you really want this you can apparently change the relative position of the arm slit yourself to create your own ´variant´. Don't sue me when this goes wrong.  
You can read more here.


ACCESSORIES

FORCE PIKE

The LL ERG carries a force pike having a V2 mould, which can be recognized by the little mould circles (as described in TIG's weapon guide). The Ledy pikes are cast in two shades of grey plastic: grey and dark grey.  
Kenner also made V2 mould pikes, but like the V1 mould pikes these are cast in light grey plastic and are therefore different from the Ledy pikes.    

REMARK: In the pic below a comparison is made between Ledy pikes (V2) and a Kenner pike (V1).  

Force Pikes: Comparison between Lili Ledy and Kenner


Ledy Emperor with his Ledy guards.

This is a great thread and I think I may have spent quite a bit of time over the last couple of months searching through a lot of false info on the net, Very confusing to a new comer but with this sort of thread I'm getting there slowly. Cheers fellas. What do you think about the top 2 weapons in this pick, are they ledy?

Hi Scott,

First of all, welcome aboard

There is an entry about bespin blasters here on TIG.

According to the guide there are five different moldings.



The blue V1 molding was used by Lili Ledy and Kenner. The blue V1 gun in the top right corner of your pic might therefore be LL. The DARK grey V1 molding was exclusively issued with the LL Squid Head and LL Lando Bespin. So I think you are lucky to have the gun in the top left corner.

BTW: The blue gun in the middle of your pic has the V5 molding.
I have three LL Squid Heads and they all came with a dark grey V5 instead of V1 gun. The TIG entry mentions nothing about the V5 gun being issued by Lili Ledy. That makes me wonder why you see these V5 guns so often with LL Squids. Do they have really nothing to do with LL Squids? Anyone has an idea?

I too believe V5 can be LL.

aussiejames wrote:

wbobafett wrote:

(A lot of people think this mold in darkgrey is Ledy....I dont thnik so...the mold MUST be different to be genuine Ledy....but as I said....Im pretty alone on this one, although my gun came from card!)!

Regards

Wolff

Ledy MOCs with different guns

despite MOC 'proof' that both have appeared on LL cards there are doubters :scratch:
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EDIT I can only wish these MOCs are part of my collection

Dr Dengar wrote:

Hi Scott,

First of all, welcome aboard

There is an entry about bespin blasters here on TIG.

According to the guide there are five different moldings.



The blue V1 molding was used by Lili Ledy and Kenner. The blue V1 gun in the top right corner of your pic might therefore be LL. The grey V1 molding was exclusively issued with the LL Squid Head and LL Lando Bespin. So I think you are lucky to have the gun in the top left corner.

BTW: The blue gun in the middle of your pic has the V5 molding.
I have three LL Squid Heads and they all came with a dark grey V5 instead of V1 gun. The TIG entry mentions nothing about the V5 gun being issued by Lili Ledy. That makes me wonder why you see these V5 guns so often with LL Squids. Do they have really nothing to do with LL Squids? Anyone has an idea?

Thanks for the welcome Doc

I seen that about the blasters on TIG and thought they where both Ledy but as I'm new to this and that was the first grey blaster i picked up, thought I better ask. You say the one in the top right in my pic could be ledy, How can I tell? was all blue in this mold issued with ledy or was it only a certain shade of blue? I didn't know that the V5 molding was issued with ledy figures as well, i put it in the pic to show the handle sizes, S M L from bottom to top. Was it only luke bespin issued with the blue ledy bespin blaster?

Just been having a look and seen Ledy Han also has the blue blaster. think I've been lucky with some of the weapons I've picked up over the last couple of weeks, I'm sure theres a few more Ledy. Will sort some pics out tomorrow and see what you think.

snaggletooth wrote:

I seen that about the blasters on TIG and thought they where both Ledy but as I'm new to this and that was the first grey blaster i picked up, thought I better ask. You say the one in the top right in my pic could be ledy, How can I tell? was all blue in this mold issued with ledy or was it only a certain shade of blue? I didn't know that the V5 molding was issued with ledy figures as well, i put it in the pic to show the handle sizes, S M L from bottom to top. Was it only luke bespin issued with the blue ledy bespin blaster?

Hi Scott,
I have to be more precisely, only the DARKER grey V1 gun was issued by Lili Ledy. The common light grey V1 gun came with the Kenner Squid Head. From your pic I got the impression the gun at the top left corner was dark grey, but it is always a bit tricky to tell from pics if their is no comparisson. Would be good to have a shot of this gun next to a normal Kenner light grey gun to have a conclusive answer.

V1: Light grey (Kenner)


V1: Darker grey (Lili Ledy)



With respect to the blue V1 blaster. There are two versions: rough and smooth surface. The rough surface was issued by Lili Ledy exclusively I think. However the smooth surface V1 gun is not unique to Lili Ledy. I don´t know whether a LL blue smooth surface V1 gun has some specific traits. Maybe our ´armourer´ Jay can shed some light upon this.

V1: blue, smooth surface


V1: blue, rough surface

aussiejames wrote:

I too believe V5 can be LL.

Very interesting James!!!

Is there some proof that the burgundy Squid Head was also packaged with the V5 grey gun?

Thanks for the replies fellas. I think my blue blaster is the smooth version, if this is shared between LL and Kenner does that mean that it would be correct to put blaster with a LL Luke on Han Bespin? I think the grey blasters are the light versions looking at your pics, the one in the top middle is slightly darker. They do look the same color as James lando though, the one on the middle left is the only other color grey i have.

If you take a close look at the so called Kenner/LL blaster and the LL (only) blaster you will notice that the tip of the Kenner/LL version is a bit smaller.

Imo it is false to call the Kenner/LL blaster Kenner/LL. It is a Kenner only blaster imo - there probably is a Ledy one with smooth surface but it needs to have a thicker tip.

So your blaster is no Ledy blaster and it is not correct to use it with a LL Han Bespin or LL Luke. Close but not 100% correct - sorry.

Just my thoughts...

Uli

snaggletooth wrote:

Thanks for the replies fellas. I think my blue blaster is the smooth version, if this is shared between LL and Kenner does that mean that it would be correct to put blaster with a LL Luke on Han Bespin? I think the grey blasters are the light versions looking at your pics, the one in the top middle is slightly darker. They do look the same color as James lando though, the one on the middle left is the only other color grey i have.

Based upon the available info, I would say:

Top row guns (going from left to right):

• V1 light grey: Kenner
  
• V1 light grey: Kenner,
  
• V1 blue smooth: Kenner/LL or maybe just Kenner, see Ueli's (Idefix') post

Middle row guns (going from left to right):

• V5 darker grey: Kenner/LL.
  Comments:
  - Why LL? See James' LL Squid Head MOC holding a dark grey V5 gun.
  - Ueli: The grey V5 LL and Kenner guns might be different on close examination too?
  
• V5 blue: Kenner
  
• V5 blue: Kenner

Bottom row (going from left to right):

• V4 blue: Kenner (thin tip)
  
• V2 blue: Kenner
  
• V3 blue: Kenner (not sure, maybe V2 as well)

Idefix13 wrote:

If you take a close look at the so called Kenner/LL blaster and the LL (only) blaster you will notice that the tip of the Kenner/LL version is a bit smaller.

Imo it is false to call the Kenner/LL blaster Kenner/LL. It is a Kenner only blaster imo - there probably is a Ledy one with smooth surface but it needs to have a thicker tip.

So your blaster is no Ledy blaster and it is not correct to use it with a LL Han Bespin or LL Luke. Close but not 100% correct - sorry.

Just my thoughts...

Uli

I learned a lot about LL blasters today!

So a true Lili Ledy V1 gun has a thicker tip than a Kenner V1 gun (colour, or surface should not matter here, we are just looking at the molding right)

Ueli: Could you post a comparisson pic for the two V1 guns pls? Lili Ledy (thicker tip) vs Kenner (thinner tip)?.

Dr Dengar wrote:

Idefix13 wrote:

If you take a close look at the so called Kenner/LL blaster and the LL (only) blaster you will notice that the tip of the Kenner/LL version is a bit smaller.

Imo it is false to call the Kenner/LL blaster Kenner/LL. It is a Kenner only blaster imo - there probably is a Ledy one with smooth surface but it needs to have a thicker tip.

So your blaster is no Ledy blaster and it is not correct to use it with a LL Han Bespin or LL Luke. Close but not 100% correct - sorry.

Just my thoughts...

Uli

I learned a lot about LL blasters today!

So a true Lili Ledy V1 gun has a thicker tip than a Kenner V1 gun (colour, or surface should not matter here, we are just looking at the molding right)

Ueli: Could you post a comparisson pic for the two V1 guns pls? Lili Ledy (thicker tip) vs Kenner (thinner tip)?.

Thats a great post there dr dengar and has cleared it up, going of the TIG Gunnery I would be ok paring that weapon with ledy luke/han? If it was just a matter of the molding wouldn't that make the two grey blasters on the top row of my pic, from the Ledi mold?

Idefix, what makes you think the V1 - Blue Colour Variant 1, Lili Ledy / Kenner is just kenner?

Here is my comparision picture:


I have not enough LL Bespin Blasters to be sure on my theory but enough for a vague guess.

The first two are LL (maybe also PBP). The third comes with my no coo Lobot and the China (China or blank bar - can't remember right now) Rebel Soldier Hoth.

Uli

Sorry - forgot about the Squid Head blaster - I did not spend too much attention to this weapon so far. So I'm sorry but I have no info on this one.

Uli

Idefix13 wrote:

Here is my comparision picture:


I have not enough LL Bespin Blasters to be sure on my theory but enough for a vague guess.

The first two are LL (maybe also PBP). The third comes with my no coo Lobot and the China (China or blank bar - can't remember right now) Rebel Soldier Hoth.

Uli

Some great research and theory, Ueli!!!

So going from top till bottom we have

• V1, blue, smooth surface: LL (mind the thicker tip)
  
• V1, blue, rough surface: LL (mind the thicker tip)
  
• V1, blue, smooth surface: Kenner (mind the thinner tip)

If your theory is sound, the main difference between the LL and Kenner V1 gun is the thickness of the tip. Technically it would therefore make sense to give them individual molding labels, say v1A (LL) and v1B (Kenner). Jay?


Now I start to wonder whether the V1 (V1A?) LL dark grey gun (which came with the LL Squid Head) would also have a thicker tip compared to the light grey V1 (V1B?) Kenner gun (packed with the normal Squid Head).