Guys...we are all here to learn from each other...no need to put the head down...I was just confused (like everyone else) and wanted to make some points clearer!!

I have chekced my other PBP 4-loms......not sure but the strucure seems to be really very inconsitent!?!?! Its sometimes more like C and sometimes more like B.

I think they got maybe just the same material and used it for making the capes. Next up would be checking if the stitching is different :/

Thanks for joining the discussion Kevin!

What I understand sofar, is that differences between capes B and C are very minimal, being only the creamy (B) vs white (C) lining.

It seems reasonable to assume that the fabric for both capes was produced by the same factory, maybe B and C correspond just to different batches. The material was then bought by a Hong Kong based SW factory to cut capes from. These capes were used for the HK 4-LOM.

Question: how come that the PBP 4-LOM carries the same type of cape?
- Did PBP import cut capes from Hong Kong
- Did PBP order material directly from the fabric company and cut capes themselves (less likely)
- Other?

I start to think now. Many POCH/PBP accessories look almost identical / are identical to their Kenner counterparts which were produced in the Far East.
Could it be that PBP just imported (most of) the accessories (capes, weapons) from Far East SW factories? :scratch:

Dr Dengar wrote:

Thanks for joining the discussion Kevin!

What I understand sofar, is that differences between capes B and C are very minimal, being only the creamy (B) vs white (C) lining.

It seems reasonable to assume that the fabric for both capes was produced by the same factory, maybe B and C correspond just to different batches. The material was then bought by a Hong Kong based SW factory to cut capes from. These capes were used for the HK 4-LOM.

Question: how come that the PBP 4-LOM carries the same type of cape?
- Did PBP import cut capes from Hong Kong
- Did PBP order material directly from the fabric company and cut capes themselves (less likely)
- Other?

I start to think now. Many POCH/PBP accessories look almost identical / are identical to their Kenner counterparts which were produced in the Far East.
Could it be that PBP just imported (most of) the accessories (capes, weapons) from Far East SW factories? :scratch:

But then on the other hand you have unique stuff like:
- red 4-lom harness
- metallic blue bespin balster (also packed on tri cards)
- lightgrey comlink and lightgrey tie blaster
- there is also a lightgrey biker blaster which is not confirmed on any PBP card yet
- the lightsaber from Luke farmboy seems also to be unique (and is confirmed if you ask me)

So we have (as always) a mixture of imported and own produced stuff! Again I think there was pretty much "job sharing" in the late period. With job sharing I mean: Every factory actually producing the toys produced some stuff for the whole market and exported it.......just a theorie though

wbobafett wrote:

But then on the other hand you have unique stuff like:
- red 4-lom harness
- metallic blue bespin balster (also packed on tri cards)
- lightgrey comlink and lightgrey tie blaster
- there is also a lightgrey biker blaster which is not confirmed on any PBP card yet
- the lightsaber from Luke farmboy seems also to be unique (and is confirmed if you ask me)

So we have (as always) a mixture of imported and own produced stuff! Again I think there was pretty much "job sharing" in the late period. With job sharing I mean: Every factory actually producing the toys produced some stuff for the whole market and exported it.......just a theorie though

Can we exclude that also these socalled unique PBP accessories correspond to distinct batches which were produced in the Far east for PBP?

A long time ago, in a Hong Kong factory (translated from Cantonese)

Worker: I got a purchase order from Spain for hunderd thousand of 4-LOM harnesses
Boss: Shoot, we don't have these in our stocks anymore.
Worker: No problem boss, we can produce a new batch, the moulds are cleaned and ready to be used.
Boss: Good idea, let's do it.
Worker: There is only one slight problem.
Boss; Which is...
Worker: We ran out of dark brown plastic.
Boss: So what?! Why don't you use that red plastic overthere. Do you think a red harness has less play value for a Spanish kid? Do you think, someone would care about it, now or in thirty years?!!
Worker: LOL, I guess not boss.
Boss: That's what I thought too. You are a smart worker, one day you will make promotion! Now just produce those harnesses and send the whole batch to Spain before the end of the week.
Worker: I'll do so, boss.

Dr Dengar wrote:

A long time ago, in a Hong Kong factory (translated from Cantonese)

Worker: I got a purchase order from Spain for hunderd thousand of 4-LOM harnesses
Boss: Shoot, we don't have these in our stocks anymore.
Worker: No problem boss, we can produce a new batch, the moulds are cleaned and ready to be used.
Boss: Good idea, let's do it.
Worker: There is only one slight problem.
Boss; Which is...
Worker: We ran out of dark brown plastic.
Boss: So what?! Why don't you use that red plastic overthere. Do you think a red harness has less play value for a Spanish kid? Do you think, someone would care about it, now or in thirty years?!!
Worker: LOL, I guess not boss.
Boss: That's what I thought too. You are a smart worker, one day you will make promotion! Now just produce those harnesses and send the whole batch to Spain before the end of the week.
Worker: I'll do so, boss.

Awesome!

(..have in mind: the material is also different!...softer...more rubbery)

We will never know what happend...but I assume its was nearly like that...besides nobody asked for using another material.....why should they?? For my wife both are brown...and for many many kids and non-nerdy people too.....who could know that so many crazy idiots will hunt those tiny differences in future??

wbobafett wrote:

The three main beltcolors are shown next to it. There is a dull lightbrown, a dull darkbrown and a glossy darkbrown near black. The "black" one is called the real "PBP" varaint, which I doubt and which cannot be confirmed! If one of those is really produced in Spain then all are produced in Spain and where exported. That would mean that all could have appeared on spanish cards as well.

I got this Fett in the mail today. I bought him from a Spanish guy, together with a PBP TIE Pilot.

"Tri Fett" comparison. The figure at the left was bought in Spain (PBP?).


The fact that this black belt Tri Fett was bought from Spain, supports the idea that at least this figure was indeed a PBP release.

Thanks for the 4-LOM discussion sofar! I have summarized the points and integrated them in an updated entry.

4-LOM NEW




BTW: I have some spare time left tomorrow morning. Which figure should be next?

Dr Dengar wrote:

BTW: I have some spare time left tomorrow morning. Which figure should be next?

one of these

aussiejames wrote:

one of these

Nice set of PBP figures, James. It gave me some inspiration, next time Bikerscout will be put in the spotlights!


This morning, I made pics for another figure. If I find some spare time tomorrow, I will make a new entry.

Hint.

Han Ewok?
Okay...slap me.

Josh wrote:

Han Ewok?
Okay...slap me.

Ok, cause you ask for it.



BTW: I pressed THANKS instead of QUOTE by accident.

***

COO guide for Han Hoth


NOTES:
- COO #2 is shared by POCH and Kenner (POCH Era figure).
- COO #5 is shared by PBP and Kenner (PBP Era figure).
- Both COOs belong to the same COO family, and therefore share the same mould characteristics, like the six sided belt buckle.


COO #2 (POCH ERA)

In the pictures below a POCH Han Hoth is compared to a Kenner figure sharing the same COO, i.e. COO #2.

Han Hoth COO #2: Kenner (left), POCH (right).


Han Hoth COO #2: Kenner (left), POCH (right).


Han Hoth COO #2: Kenner (left), POCH (right).


Han Hoth COO #2: Kenner (left), POCH (right).


Han Hoth COO #2: Kenner (left), POCH (right).


Han Hoth COO #2: Kenner (left), POCH (right).



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the POCH Han Hoth has:
- darker brown (''chocolate") legs
- thicker eye brows
- thinner white paint apps for the scarf, gloves, and belt buckle which therefore appear more bluish



PAINT VARIATIONS


Major Variations:
The Han Hoth POCH was also released with a different paint scheme, having 'normal' tan instead of 'chocolate' legs.

NO PICS YET.


ACCESSORIES

GUN:

The POCH Han Solo Hoth came with a blue Rebel/Smuggler blaster. I don't see any differences with guns that came with Kenner figures.

http://www.imperialgunnery.com/rebelblasters.htm



REMARK

You can read more about the POCH Han Hoth on Wolff's site: http://swspaceclub.com/wbobafett/poch/poch-variants/han-hoth/



COO #5 (PBP ERA)

In the picture below a PPB pale face Han Hoth is compared to a European pink face figure sharing the same COO, i.e. COO #5.

Han Hoth COO #5: European (left), PBP (right).


Han Hoth COO #5: European (left), PBP (right).


Han Hoth COO #5: European (left), PBP (right).


Han Hoth COO #5: European (left), PBP (right).


Han Hoth COO #5: European (left), PBP (right).


Han Hoth COO #5: European (left), PBP (right).



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his European counterpart, the PBP Han Hoth has:
- a pale instead of pink face
- a darker greyish blue instead of marine blue outfit
- brighter white paint on gloves, scarf, belt buckle
- slightly lighter brown legs


NOTE ON THE EUROPEAN PINK FACE VARIANT:

The pink face Han Hoth appeared on PBP cards and other European cards. This is in contrast to the pale face Han Hoth which has only been found on PBP cards sofar and is therefore considered a PBP exclusive figure.
Maybe the pink face Han Hoth figures were produced by PBP and (via Palitoy) exported to other European countries, besides being used for Spanish home market. Off course it is difficult to proof these logistics thirty years after. One indication might be that the pink face Han Hoth was packed with a PBP type Imperial blaster (square magazine clip) on Palitoy cards. This was also the case for the pale face Han Hoth on PBP cards.

Pink Face Han Hoth on Palitoy 65-back. Note the PBP type Imperial Blaster with square magazine clip. Source: TIG member Cantina_Patron.






Pink Face Han Hoth on PBP 65-back. Note the very light pink face. This figure came with a Bespin blaster, probably a packaging error. Source: http://www.starwarsspanishstuff.info




Pale Face Han Hoth on PBP 65-back. Note the Imperial Blaster. Source: RS member toxictoyzz



There are some small differences in the amount of pink on the pink face variant. It seems that first a white paint was sprayed and on top a pinkish paint. Probably depending on the amount sprayed the face is very pink or more white pinkish. See the pics below.
Interestingly the pale face Han Hoth seems to have some pinkish paint underneath the white paint. This is visible at the small paint rub on the nose.

Comparison of face colours for Han Hoth with COO #5. From left to right: 1,2,3 = European Han Hoth, 4= PBP Han Hoth (pale face).



Comparison of face colours for Han Hoth with COO #5. From left to right: 1,2,3 = European Han Hoth, 4= PBP Han Hoth (pale face).



ACCESSORIES

GUN

The PBP Han Solo Hoth came with a blue Imperial blaster or blue Rebel / Smuggler blaster.



OVERVIEW


The pics below give you an idea about possible leg and face colours:

Comparison of different leg and face colours. From left to right:
1 = COO #1,
2 = COO #5,
3 = COO #2,
4 = COO #2 (moulded legs variant),
5 = COO #3,
6 = COO #5 (PBP),
7 = COO #2 (POCH).

Dr Dengar wrote:

Josh wrote:

Han Ewok?
Okay...slap me.

Ok, cause you ask for it.



BTW: I pressed THANKS instead of QUOTE by accident.

Here's a naughty doggy.

Ok, I made up my mind now, in my next life I will be dog.

no COO (#5) euro & #2 moulded leg from the 'made in' family with six sided belt buckle

Hi Marco. Here is the pic of my Han that came from Spain. Mine here has melt marks on his butt. Not sure if the color in his legs matches yours but take a look and let me know your thoughts : )
-Steve

Hi Steve,

Judged from your pictures, your POCH Han does not have the typical 'chocolate' legs IMO.

But from Wolff's site, I understood there might be another.....

http://swspaceclub.com/wbobafett/poch/poch-variants/han-hoth/

Maybe Wolff or Mirco can chime in. Might this figure be the other POCH variant?

Han Hoth COO #2: Kenner (left), POCH (right).

The color on Steve's pictures is not good....I agree. But on the other hand there is lots of identification points given. So just make some new pictures Steve and I think we all agree this is legit.


The other Han mentioned on my site is a normal boots color....really normal tan!....*coming soon*

I got feedback from AJ, Wolff, Javi, and Steve (CP) on Han Hoth's entry. Thank you guys!

I used your feedback to improve the whole entry.

As requested, here are two photos of the imperial blaster packed with the Palitoy 65 back in Marcos Han Hoth entry.

[img][/img]

[img][/img]

Ok, lets try this again. I agree the lighting in my last photo was pretty bad. This time I put it in direct light near a window. Does the color match better now?

Now that looks like choclate to me!

: ) Oh good, good : ) I need to invest in a photo lab : )

As said Steve...I had no doubts! Thanks for doing the pictures again, now everbody can see its a total match!!